Islam and Women

[Dreamer]

you cant accept the belief that people can believe in God outside of Islam? lol issues!

[Al Hanif]

no... I dont believe in your idea of God... what your idea of what God says is sick.... other religions will say God says xyz... your religion says ABC... who said your statement is truth? you need help buddy with your rape fantasy

You believe in God.

God created the universe.

Rape happens in this universe.

That means the God you believe in allows rape to happen.

That means you're an hypocrite.

Don't beat around the bush.

You have been intellectually defeated and proved to be an hypocrite.

[Al Hanif]

I did counter his arguments... you and he have opposing views... you believe in rape... he doesnt... the madhabs allow for sex with slaves... he doesnt... sort your messed warped beliefs out

I don't believe my religion allows rape. Just like I don't believe that God doesn't exist.

That is called proof by contradiction.

And it works since you have been caught as being an hypocrite.

[Dreamer]

You believe in God.

God created the universe.

Rape happens in this universe.

That means the God you believe in allows rape to happen.

That means you're an hypocrite.

Don't beat around the bush.

You have been intellectually defeated and proved to be an hypocrite.

no dude... you stated your God gave you the prmission to rape ... there is a difference in letting things happen by not stepping in and thus establishing laws to deal with people who break said laws - there is the whole free will argument and a HUGE difference in saying god has given you a right to rape... SICK

[Dreamer]

I don't believe my religion allows rape. Just like I don't believe that God doesn't exist.

That is called proof by contradiction.

And it works since you have been caught as being an hypocrite.

dude... what slave wants to **** someone that has killed their menfolk? what slave wants to be owned? what slave wants to be forced into sex? maybe in your twisted mind you believe thats ok... as quran says permission is given for those whom your right hands possess to be entered into with sexual relations

[Dreamer]

your religion says a lot of things... a lot of sick twisted thing but to be fair a lot of good things... like most religions

[Al Hanif]

no dude... you stated your God gave you the prmission to rape ... there is a difference in letting things happen by not stepping in and thus establishing laws to deal with people who break said laws - there is the whole free will argument and a HUGE difference in saying god has given you a right to rape... SICK

No dude. It's called a proof by contradiction.

Physicians like you perform rectal examinations but we Mathematicians perform proofs by contradiction.

You claim that rape is evil but there is no idea of good and evil if there's no religion.


You have been exposed as an hypocrite.

[Dreamer]

No dude. It's called a proof by contradiction.

Physicists like you perform rectal examminations but we Mathematicians perform proofs by contradiction.

You claim that rape is evil but there is no idea of good and evil if there's no religion.


You have been exposed as an hypocrite.

who said? most evil things are committed in the name of God and religion.... one can therefore say religion is evil...

[Diaphanous]

The whole reason that all these things happen in our reality is because our whole lives are a test. To see if we are compassionate or not, if we will do good or bad, etc. Why do you believe that God is allowing rape. He is doing something, He is giving people the compassion to stand up to it. Instead of debating over God existing and His allowing of rape, why don't You try to do something.
Al Hanif, it sounds like you don't believe that God exists, what is your reasoning for everything that happens. There are homeless people in this world that are starving to death, does that mean there are no rich people? It is just that they are not doing anything, they are waiting for someone else to do something about all the problems in this world. I am not calling the homeless a problem, I'm calling our ignorance of them a problem, the fact that we just ignore them and carry on like nothing is wrong.
God is indirectly doing something. God never intervenes directly, or else that loses the whole point of our lives, our existences on this earth. We are to help those who can't help themselves and are constantly being taken advantage of.

[Dreamer]

The whole reason that all these things happen in our reality is because our whole lives are a test. To see if we are compassionate or not, if we will do good or bad, etc. Why do you believe that God is allowing rape. He is doing something, He is giving people the compassion to stand up to it. Instead of debating over God existing and His allowing of rape, why don't You try to do something.
Al Hanif, it sounds like you don't believe that God exists, what is your reasoning for everything that happens. There are homeless people in this world that are starving to death, does that mean there are no rich people? It is just that they are not doing anything, they are waiting for someone else to do something about all the problems in this world. I am not calling the homeless a problem, I'm calling our ignorance of them a problem, the fact that we just ignore them and carry on like nothing is wrong.
God is indirectly doing something. God never intervenes directly, or else that loses the whole point of our lives, our existences on this earth. We are to help those who can't help themselves and are constantly being taken advantage of.

a lot of assuming... I am not arguing against belief in God... I am arguing against a person who says his God allows him to rape female prisoners of war as they share the blame for their husbands actions... please re-read his post in this thread that and sexual relations with slaves... rape occurs I accept this but when it is made ok by religion that is wrong

[Al Hanif]

The whole reason that all these things happen in our reality is because our whole lives are a test. To see if we are compassionate or not, if we will do good or bad, etc. Why do you believe that God is allowing rape. He is doing something, He is giving people the compassion to stand up to it. Instead of debating over God existing and His allowing of rape, why don't You try to do something.
Al Hanif, it sounds like you don't believe that God exists, what is your reasoning for everything that happens. There are homeless people in this world that are starving to death, does that mean there are no rich people? It is just that they are not doing anything, they are waiting for someone else to do something about all the problems in this world. I am not calling the homeless a problem, I'm calling our ignorance of them a problem, the fact that we just ignore them and carry on like nothing is wrong.
God is indirectly doing something. God never intervenes directly, or else that loses the whole point of our lives, our existences on this earth. We are to help those who can't help themselves and are constantly being taken advantage of.

Where did you see that I don't believe in God ?

Do you have a brain ?

[Al Hanif]

a lot of assuming... I am not arguing against belief in God... I am arguing against a person who says his God allows him to rape female prisoners of war as they share the blame for their husbands actions... please re-read his post in this thread that and sexual relations with slaves... rape occurs I accept this but when it is made ok by religion that is wrong

And I am arguing against a person who says God allows rape to happen.

[Dreamer]

And I am arguing against a person who says God allows rape to happen.

doesnt Islam say all good and bad is from God...? doesnt Islam say nothing happens without the permission of God?

[Diaphanous]

a lot of assuming... I am not arguing against belief in God... I am arguing against a person who says his God allows him to rape female prisoners of war as they share the blame for their husbands actions... please re-read his post in this thread that and sexual relations with slaves... rape occurs I accept this but when it is made ok by religion that is wrong

What religion made it ok to force someone into sex? Bring me actual proof from the Qu'ran, the Bible, every other religious text that says it is ok to rape your slaves, your wives, and every other women you see.

[Diaphanous]

Where did you see that I don't believe in God ?

Do you have a brain ?

I didn't say you don't believe in God, I just said that from what you are arguing, it seems like you don't. Because as you said, what God would allow rape to happen?