Islam and Women

[Al Hanif]

doesnt Islam say all good and bad is from God...? doesnt Islam say nothing happens without the permission of God?

You believe that God allows rape to happen.

You are one sick person according to yourself.

[Dreamer]

What religion made it ok to force someone into sex? Bring me actual proof from the Qu'ran, the Bible, every other religious text that says it is ok to rape your slaves, your wives, and every other women you see.

as for the bible - there are passages there which allow slavery and sex with slaves ... as for the quran its the same... it clearly allows sex with people who are not married and who are classed as "those whom your right hands possess" I will soon be posting links to sunni madhabs on its permissabilty... all the 4 imams talk about it... now as for it being rape... think logically... a woman is captured in war... what sane woman will want to jump into bed with a stranger who she is allotted to as booty and this with a person who has killed her menfolk... yet this man is allowed to have sex with her... therefore rape... same for a slave thats bought... can have sex with her even if its outside nikkah... she is viewed as property and so you can do as you please with property... what slave can refuse her owner?

[Al Hanif]

I didn't say you don't believe in God, I just said that from what you are arguing, it seems like you don't. Because as you said, what God would allow rape to happen?

I am using his own arguments against him.

He claims that good and evil can exist without religion.

I proved him wrong.

[Dreamer]

You believe that God allows rape to happen.

You are one sick person according to yourself.

read my post sicko... your religion teaches this

[Dreamer]

I am using his own arguments against him.

He claims that good and evil can exist without religion.

I proved him wrong.

dude all you proved is what a sick mind you have...

[Al Hanif]

read my post sicko... your religion teaches this

So does yours. Sicko.

[Al Hanif]

dude all you proved is what a sick mind you have...

All you proved is that you're an hypocrite.

[Diaphanous]

as for the bible - there are passages there which allow slavery and sex with slaves ... as for the quran its the same... it clearly allows sex with people who are not married and who are classed as "those whom your right hands possess" I will soon be posting links to sunni madhabs on its permissabilty... all the 4 imams talk about it... now as for it being rape... think logically... a woman is captured in war... what sane woman will want to jump into bed with a stranger who she is allotted to as booty and this with a person who has killed her menfolk... yet this man is allowed to have sex with her... therefore rape... same for a slave thats bought... can have sex with her even if its outside nikkah... she is viewed as property and so you can do as you please with property... what slave can refuse her owner?

I still don't see proof. I need to see quotes with the chapters and the lines. From both the bible and Islam.
That happens everywhere. Not just in islam. not just in religion. Rape is something that has no tie to religion. It is free will.
God has given every human being, regardless of what they believe in, or not, free will. they can choose to do whatever they want. You can't blame a whole, or all, religions for it. That is the same as saying that all Americans can shoot whoever they want because they have the right to carry a gun.

[Dreamer]

So does yours. Sicko.

1) you dont even know my religion
2) I never said God allowing rape.. you did and you also stated he gave you the right to rape...

[Dreamer]

I still don't see proof. I need to see quotes with the chapters and the lines. From both the bible and Islam.
That happens everywhere. Not just in islam. not just in religion. Rape is something that has no tie to religion. It is free will.
God has given every human being, regardless of what they believe in, or not, free will. they can choose to do whatever they want. You can't blame a whole, or all, religions for it. That is the same as saying that all Americans can shoot whoever they want because they have the right to carry a gun.

read up on slavery and islam and that phrase...

[Dreamer]

All you proved is that you're an hypocrite.

yea yea you rape obsessed sicko

[Al Hanif]

1) you dont even know my religion
2) I never said God allowing rape.. you did and you also stated he gave you the right to rape...

1) You said that you believe in God.

2) The God you believe in allows rape to happen.

3) That was a proof by contradiction.

[Dreamer]

1) You said that you believe in God.

2) The God you believe in allows rape to happen.

3) That was a proof by contradiction.

no I said who said I dont believe in god? I never stated my belief or denial
I said there is a difference in saying a God who allows free will as you believe also but who doesnt step in and stop acts because of this free will but then judges people based on their action and then saying huge difference from what you also stated in that YOU BELIEVE GOD GAVE YOU THE RIGHT TO RAPE female POW... learn the difference

[Al Hanif]

no I said who said I dont believe in god? I never stated my belief or denial
I said there is a difference in saying a God who allows free will as you believe also but who doesnt step in and stop acts because of this free will but then judges people based on their action and then saying huge difference from what you also stated in that YOU BELIEVE GOD GAVE YOU THE RIGHT TO RAPE female POW... learn the difference

Either you believe in a God that allows rape to happen.

Or you believe there is no God therefore there is no right or wrong.

In all cases, you have been intellectually defeated.

[Dreamer]

Either you believe in a God that allows rape to happen.

Or you believe there is no God therefore there is no right or wrong.

In all cases, you have been intellectually defeated.

By your logic sir you also believe in a God who allows rape to occur since Ilsam accepts free will and says clearly all good and all evil come from god...I would not attribute the actions of Men to God who endowed them with free will... that is having your cake and eating it... the fault lies with the men in that instance... you however believe God gives you the permission to rape POW... sick sick sick...