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  • #151
    also please read some rulings by any of the 4 madhabs on sexual activity with slaves
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    • #152
      Originally posted by Dreamer View Post
      fair enough... read some hadith again showing the practice of having sex with slaves outside of nikkah
      I read the hadith and that's why I presented the hadith I presented to you. ALL the relevant hadith have to be used to analyze the issue. It's from all the hadith we make the conclusion.
      [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

      2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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      • #153
        Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Post
        the point is can you direct me to the actual source material that allows this?

        so far, "no". ...
        2 sunni hadith posted for u... take your time in reading them... dont infer what isnt there
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        • #154
          Jabir (Allah be pleased with him) reported that a man came to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and said: I have a slave-girl who is our servant and she carries water for us and I have intercourse with her, but I do not want her to conceive. He said: Practise 'azl, if you so like, but what is decreed for her will come to her. The person stayed back (for some time) and then came and said: The girl has become pregnant, whereupon he said: I told you what was decreed for her would come to her.
          Sahih Muslim 8:338

          reposted this one just for u
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          • #155
            where in this hadith does it say he married her? on the contrary he says he owned a girl and wanted to shag her so he did...
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            • #156
              such noble and illustrious companions a high benchmark for family values
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              • #157
                Originally posted by Dreamer View Post
                LMAO... no it doesnt!!!!!!! please read carefully.... it says marry but if you cant have sex with women... it counts up to 4 wives and mentions unlimited slaves!

                Abu Sa'id al-Khudri reported that at the Battle of Hunain Allah's Messenger sent an army to Autas and encountered the enemy and fought with them. Having overcome them and taken them captives, the Companions of Allah's Messenger seemed to refrain from having intercourse with captive women because of their husbands being polytheists. Then Allah, Most High, sent down regarding that:" And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess (Quran 4:. 24)" (i. e. they were lawful for them when their 'Idda period came to an end).
                Sahih Muslim 8:3432

                The hadith here mentioned that their husbands fought with Muslims and were overcome. The hadith here makes no mention on whether or not the women's husbands were alive or deceased

                Otherwise there'd be no reason to observe an "idda" period if these women were still married.

                Jabir (Allah be pleased with him) reported that a man came to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and said: I have a slave-girl who is our servant and she carries water for us and I have intercourse with her, but I do not want her to conceive. He said: Practise 'azl, if you so like, but what is decreed for her will come to her. The person stayed back (for some time) and then came and said: The girl has become pregnant, whereupon he said: I told you what was decreed for her would come to her.
                Sahih Muslim 8:338
                The hadith here is not indicated on whether or not this was BEFORE the revelation regarding marriage or not.

                You are way too amateurish on this.
                Last edited by RevolutionThroughReason; 03-14-2014, 08:57 AM.
                [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                • #158
                  Originally posted by Dreamer View Post
                  Jabir (Allah be pleased with him) reported that a man came to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and said: I have a slave-girl who is our servant and she carries water for us and I have intercourse with her, but I do not want her to conceive. He said: Practise 'azl, if you so like, but what is decreed for her will come to her. The person stayed back (for some time) and then came and said: The girl has become pregnant, whereupon he said: I told you what was decreed for her would come to her.
                  Sahih Muslim 8:338

                  reposted this one just for u
                  Great, was this before or after the revelations on marriage?
                  [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                  2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                  • #159
                    Originally posted by Dreamer View Post
                    2 sunni hadith posted for u... take your time in reading them... dont infer what isnt there
                    Already done. already responded, you're an amateur and I know for sure you're going off of a polemic site
                    [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                    2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                    • #160
                      Originally posted by Dreamer View Post
                      such noble and illustrious companions a high benchmark for family values
                      And such an ignorant and sophomoric debater who doesn't even know any background behind any of the references, such as when it happened, prior to or after a certain revelation or the details behind whether the husbands were dead or alive.
                      [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                      2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                      • #161
                        after... happened in medina period... please read your own history ... I CAN PRESENT COUNTLESS MORE even after mohammed died... you will bicth and whine and insult but wont address the issue...
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                        • #162
                          Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Post
                          And such an ignorant and sophomoric debater who doesn't even know any background behind any of the references, such as when it happened, prior to or after a certain revelation or the details behind whether the husbands were dead or alive.
                          oh but I do... and you feel threatened...
                          Frater aliquis in fide nec fratrem humanitatis


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                          • #163
                            Originally posted by Dreamer View Post
                            after... happened in medina period... please read your own history ... I CAN PRESENT COUNTLESS MORE even after mohammed died... you will bicth and whine and insult but wont address the issue...
                            I asked you whether it happened after the verses about marriage, all the verses not just one verse, were all the marriages verses revealed at this time.


                            If you were so sure that the hadith you mentioned were after the stipulations about marriage, you don't need to search for other hadith.
                            [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                            2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                            • #164
                              Originally posted by Dreamer View Post
                              oh but I do... and you feel threatened...

                              What threat? You can't even tell me what was the background in the hadith you mentioned, whether the husbands were alive/dead and whether or not the marriage stipulations were all revealed then. You're purely guessing.
                              [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                              2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                              • #165
                                what Marrriage???? there was a horny arab who had a slave and he screwed her! what deep meaning is there? she was his slave... his property... he wanted her so he had her.. she was not his wife and this practice carried on... the quran allows for relations with slaves... its you who is wishing Islam was something that it is not
                                Frater aliquis in fide nec fratrem humanitatis


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