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  • #106
    Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Post
    Except that would defeat the whole desiring chastity part. Not good with reading comprehension are you.
    looool... chastity is only for free people ... slaves are property to be used and abused... hence the whole "and those whom your right hands possess" they are not afforded the dignity of marriage... they can be screwed without nikkah as they are chattel... they can be sold and if their new master wants to use them for sex so be it... not every woman will leap into bed at the drop of a hat... slaves have no options...in fact this was one of the prime reasons for buying slaves... dont whitewash facts...
    Last edited by Dreamer; 03-14-2014, 06:24 AM.
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    • #107
      Originally posted by Al Hanif View Post
      Islam doesn't allow rape, not even the rape of slaves.

      It's you who claimed that it was rape by calling them sex slaves.
      yes because slaves will willingly sleep with their masters what planet are you living on... dont forget you yourself claimed your God allows rape...
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      • #108
        Except the verse says that if these slave girls desire to be chaste, their masters should let them. Which means it isn't only for free people and debunks your assertion.

        You were wrong. The end.
        [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

        2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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        • #109
          Originally posted by Dreamer View Post
          yes because slaves will willingly sleep with their masters what planet are you living on... dont forget you yourself claimed your God allows rape...
          So you're saying no slave slept with their master by choice? This isn't even about whether Islam makes slaves sleep with their masters. This is about your claim.

          Can you prove absolutely in all 1....n cases that NO slave ever slept with their master by their own volition, irregardless of their masters demands?
          [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

          2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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          • #110
            Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Post
            So you're saying no slave slept with their master by choice? This isn't even about whether Islam makes slaves sleep with their masters. This is about your claim.

            Can you prove absolutely in all 1....n cases that NO slave ever slept with their master by their own volition, irregardless of their masters demands?

            Your belief that slaves will willingly sleep with their masters shows a lot of your mentality
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            • #111
              Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Post
              Except the verse says that if these slave girls desire to be chaste, their masters should let them. Which means it isn't only for free people and debunks your assertion.

              You were wrong. The end.
              chaste as in sleeping with them and them only unless their master chooses to breed them out to another slave... hadith books are filled with wonderful topics such as how a master may overide slaves from marrying to choosing who they marry and owning any children that are produced
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              • #112
                That's not what the verse says, chaste means chaste, meaning not having sex outside of marriage in Islam.

                thus you were wrong.
                [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                • #113
                  Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Post
                  That's not what the verse says, chaste means chaste

                  thus you were wrong.
                  sorry matey... chaste is for "humans" Islam does not regard slaves as humans hence the hadith on who they can marry if they can marry being born into servitude and selling them... yes it makes allowances to treat them well ... much like someone may choose to keep a pet well but at the end of the day they are regarded as chatell and chastity for them if to ensure their privates are for their masters only....
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                  • #114
                    if it truly regarded chastity as a high moral value in them... it would say to marry them... it does not... they are their to provide services one of which is pleasuring their master...
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                    • #115
                      Slaves are considered human in Islam, they're not deemed another species. So chaste means chaste

                      there's no sorry bud, you were wrong and now trying to back peddle and change goal posts to defend your ignorance. Pathetic really and demonstrates you're not very smart.
                      [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                      2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                      • #116
                        Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Post
                        Slaves are considered human in Islam, they're not deemed another species. So chaste means chaste

                        there's no sorry bud, you were wrong and now trying to back peddle and change goal posts to defend your ignorance. Pathetic really and demonstrates you're not very smart.
                        your the one whose losing a few grey cells... human dignity they have none... please read hadith books on treatment of slaves then come and tell me they are regarded as humans
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                        • #117
                          Originally posted by Dreamer View Post
                          your the one whose losing a few grey cells... human dignity they have none... please read hadith books on treatment of slaves then come and tell me they are regarded as humans

                          Not so, I already posted the hadith about this same matter to you SEVERAL posts ago


                          "Musaykah, a slave-girl of some Ansari, came and said: My master forces me to commit fornication. Thereupon the following verse was revealed: "But force not your maids to prostitution (when they desire chastity). (24:33)" (Translation of Sunan Abu Dawud, Divorce (Kitab Al-Talaq), Book 12, Number 2304)"
                          The fact you glossed over this even after it's been made clear to you demonstrates that you're deficient in intellect.

                          You lost, move on.
                          [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                          2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                          • #118
                            Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Post
                            Not so, I already posted the hadith about this same matter to you SEVERAL posts ago




                            The fact you glossed over this even after it's been made clear to you demonstrates that you're deficient in intellect.

                            You lost, move on.
                            oh dude if anyone is glossing over anything its you... there are HADITH ... hundreds about treatment of slaves which show how they have no human dignity... wake up and smell the air!!!!!!
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                            • #119
                              just explain the allowance for sexual relations with slaves and why they are even denied the dignity of a marriage when Islam is so about chastity and family values
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                              • #120
                                again that hadith is about prostitution... i.e earning cash off them by pimping them out... it still allows to sleep with them yourself ... take a deep breath and read it slowly
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