Why are Ahmadis considered non-Muslims in Pakistan

[Jana]

I wasn't getting into theology there. I just gave Bhutto's reasons for his actions, which were political in nature. The man himself couldn't care less about theology and seals and what not.

If you want, I'll show you Sunni scholars who are convinced that Shi'ites are non-Muslims. They have evidence from the Quran and Sunnah to prove their cases. If you disagree with them, you will become a faasiq, a kaafer and a whole bunch of other stuff. Wanna play?

I am not an Alim so i dont give decrees neither verdicts on who is a Muslim and who is not. Bhutto was a politician and politics is a dirty game. I am not interested in playing politics i am simply talking about simple basics of Islam and the Kalima we recite being a simple Muslim.


Being Muslims we believe in the finality of Prophethood of Muhammad (PBUH) and anyone deviating from it is out of Islam as per Islamic beliefs isnt it or not???

As far as this shia sunni issue personally i feel its more political in nature than theological (may be i am wrong but its what i understood)

[Jana]

So the Ahmadis lobbyist got him hanged
?

Lolz no he was got killed by CIA along with top officers and also US officials.

His plane burst in the air . Its a long story

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

You're right, the divide started politically but as a result of the split, their theologies evolved separately and hence the difference in beliefs today.

I'm not a very good 'Muslim' though. I've been a bad boy.

[Mutakhasis]

The Shahadah of Ahmadis is: La ilaaha ilallahu Muhammadur Rasulullah.

What Quranic commands have they rejected?

Kaka you talk way too much and know very little, try reading their shahadah on their satanic temple



What does that say?

[Mutakhasis]

My cousin is an Ahmadi living in Toronto, Canada.

He prays 5x a day, He has memorized the Quran and he has devoted his life to Islam.

Would you consider him as a non Muslim? He probably lovezs Islam more than anyone on this site.

If he believes that Mirza was a messiah or a prophet than yes your cousin is not a Muslim

The British created the Qadiyani movement for the purpose to taint the Indian freedom fighters and have them stop resisting British occupation. Mirza Qaiyani gave a false legal opinion that the religious duty of fighting against enemies of Islaam had been abrogated and called people to surrender and co-operate with the imperialist British authorities in India

Anyone who believes that fighting has been nullified in Islaam has left Islaam in total. No matter how much they pray or fast or claim to love Islaam, all of this is futile

[Mutakhasis]

Mr. Meow your continuous slander against Rasulullah seem to have cursed your intellect and now you go on calling people who believe in a false Prophet as Muslims

[شمله ور خراساني]

The reason why people persist on claiming that Qadyanis are Muslim is because they are very well aware of the fact that Qadyanism was created as a remedy against Muslim resistance to British colonial regime in India.

The same people declare Afghans who fight for their freedom in Afghanistan as kaafirs. And support the occupation of Afghanistan.

[Feroza_Banu]

ahmadi movement was an attempt to make muslims loyal to british government..... its just simple as that

[شمله ور خراساني]

Sar me naso pa khlass.

its not rocket science. British empire colonized India. Muslims in India declared Jihad against the British, just like Afghans did. British Empire was suffering because of the Muslim resistance. So they made this dude Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadyani a new leader. They gave him the perks to claim he is somebody. Then he declared Jihad as unlawful against the British.

But this invention failed. Yet some dumb people who followed him remained on this false religion.

Which is why today there are still many who are Qadyani.

[Nadir Shah]

The reason why people persist on claiming that Qadyanis are Muslim is because they are very well aware of the fact that Qadyanism was created as a remedy against Muslim resistance to British colonial regime in India.

The same people declare Afghans who fight for their freedom in Afghanistan as kaafirs. And support the occupation of Afghanistan.

What Moslem resistance against the British? Viqar ul Molk, Syed Khan, Saleemullah, Iqbal, Jinnah and the likes were all British stooges. On the other hand, Shaheed Comrade Bhagat Singh, Gandhiji, Netaji, Panditji Nehru and Sardarji Patel were all non-Moslem anti-British figures.
The Pashtun resistance to the British was, in my view, the single greatest anti-colonial endeavor. It was founded on Pashtun Nationalism, not religion.

[Nadir Shah]

its not rocket science. British empire colonized India. Muslims in India declared Jihad against the British, just like Afghans did. British Empire was suffering because of the Muslim resistance. So they made this dude Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadyani a new leader. They gave him the perks to claim he is somebody. Then he declared Jihad as unlawful against the British.

But this invention failed. Yet some dumb people who followed him remained on this false religion.

Which is why today there are still many who are Qadyani.

Again, which community of Moslems in the Subcontinent was resisting the British, against which, as you claim, Mirza Ghulam Ahmed was invented?

[Nadir Shah]

I have heard that many people in Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa, especially in Mardan acceted Ahmadiyya Islam. Thus, as one of the religions of the Pashtuns, we must respect Ahmadiyya Islam.

[inqilab]

Wow this is such rubbish. Some of you people really need to get their heads checked. i cannot believe you guys consider ahmadis as muslims.

I am going to give you all just one quote. Enough to prove that they are kuffar. And after this quote from the voluminous collection. Gathered by his followers of his work. If you still considered ghulam ahmad and his followers as muslims. You need to re-say your shahadah.

From 'roohani khazain' in 'tatumma haqiqatul wahi', ghulam ahmad stated

"I swear upon Allah in whose hands is my life, He has sent me, He only has named me prophet and He only has sent me as Promised Messiah"

Now i am done. After this if you continue to believe they are muslims. Just let it be known you have left the way of Allahs Messenger [s]. And are upon the way of a impostor and a liar named ghulam ahmad.

[inqilab]

I have heard that many people in Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa, especially in Mardan acceted Ahmadiyya Islam. Thus, as one of the religions of the Pashtuns, we must respect Ahmadiyya Islam.

Some pashtuns still worship statues.

There are pashtuns who make you walk over hot coal. And if your feet burn and swell. You are considered guilty of a crime.

Your logic is so corrupt. It is not even funny in a bad way.

We do not accept things based upon what pashtuns do or believe.

[Nadir Shah]

Some pashtuns still worship statues.

There are pashtuns who make you walk over hot coal. And if your feet burn and swell. You are considered guilty of a crime.

Your logic is so corrupt. It is not even funny in a bad way.

We do not accept things based upon what pashtuns do or believe.

Worshipping useen things is even worse than worshiping statues. Dont you think?
All I am saying is that, people have the right to choose which religion/creed to follow. We must respect this right.