Why are Ahmadis considered non-Muslims in Pakistan

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Imagine they are being forced to recant that Allah is the only One worthy of worship and that Muhammad is His messenger. Truly sad times for Muslims.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Check this:

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In Afghanistan 9 out of the first 10 of their martyrs happened in Afghanistan. The only country they can practice peacefully in the East is India. No other Muslim country allows them to worship Allah.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Check this out:

The Pakistani Police is erasing the kalima from their mosques. Look how sad they are. They are in prostration to Allah while their kalima is being defaced.

[inqilab]

Dear brother, you lost me. Could you kindly rephrase everything.

You are all over the place.

May Allah reward you.

Where did i lose you? Do not play stupid with me.

My questions are simple. And no ahmadi has ever answered these questions:

Where did they even get the concept of nabi, messeeh and mahdi from? Is it from Islam?

If it is from islam. Then why do they out right reject what islam has said regarding these three issues? Why do they substitute their own version?

Where did their beliefs of a prophet, a messiah and a mahdi come from? If it was from islam. Then why do they reject what islam says about these three beliefs.

Is that hard to understand?

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

If you understand Urdu:

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

What do you mean by 9 out of 10 martyrs?

Out of the first 10 martyrs of Ahmadis, 9 of them were Afghan. They were hanged or stoned to death in Afghanistan.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Where did i lose you? Do not play stupid with me.



Where did their beliefs of a prophet, a messiah and a mahdi come from? If it was from islam. Then why do they reject what islam says about these three beliefs.

Is that hard to understand?

It would not hurt for you to be polite. I have no idea what you are saying, brother.

All of their beliefs come from Islam.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

One of the greatest scholars of Afghanistan Sahibzadah Abdul Latif of Khost accepted Ahmadiyyat. The King Habibullah Khan ordered a debate. However, it was a silent debate. The proceedings were never published.

He was declared a kafir and stoned to death.

Check out the other video I posted for you. Do you understand Urdu?

http://www.pashtunforums.com/77937-post390.html

http://www.pashtunforums.com/77948-post393.html

[Dukhtar-e-Kabul]

Do you have any more info on Abdul Latif?

How come no one never demanded for the debate to be public? Its such a huge event.

Salam Meem.

[Feroza_Banu]

Dear Feroza Banu, with all due respect, stick to the topic at hand and have taqwah in your approach. Please refrain from an ad hominem and Red Herring approach. It will make a discussion much more fruitful and enjoyable. If you are not able to, then please refrain in engaging in such issues.

I am pretty sure you have not read what I posted.

Dearest Mujib was stating that Ahmadis consider those who do not accept Ahmadiyyat are kafir, regardless whether that person has heard of Ahmadiyyat or not. This is what Mujib wrora posted:


This statement of his is something that the Muhammad Ali of the Lahoris have accused Ahmadis of. This statement is refuted by Ahmadis. Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmud Ahmad, the second Khalifa of Ahmadiyya, refutes this by saying that those who willfully reject the message are considered a kafir as per the Quran itself.

Yes, it is the Quran who declares this, not him.

He is objecting to the blanket statement that was made of Ahmadi beliefs. He is saying that no, it is not a blanket belief. It only refers to those who willfully reject a prophet.


That said, we Muslims belief that anyone who willfully rejects a prophet is a kafir. No ifs or buts about it. It is a Heavenly decree. This is in the Shariah of Islam. This is part of our 6 Articles of faith.

My dearest Mujib brother, used this clause within the Ahmadiyya belief system to consider them out of the fold of Islam and thus accuses them of creating a new religion.

However, what Mujib wrora missed, or he just chose not to respond to it when I inquired of him, is that he also believes that if anyone who rejects a prophet is considered a kafir, according to the Holy Quran.

This is where my argument comes in.

How can one consider that Ahmadiyyat is a new religion when they are following the Holy Quran with respect to who is and who is not a kafir? Ahmadis are clearly following the Holy Quran in their judgment. Therefore, they have not created a new religion. Hence, theoretically speaking they are correct in their analysis of who is and who is not a kafir.

What needs to be investigated now is whether or not Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is the Mahdi and the Messiah. This will determine whether they are practically correct or not.

Further, I asked Mujib wrora whether he would accept the Holy Quran's confirmation on Hadhrat Isa (as) death or not? Or would he stick to his scholars and reject the what the Quran says?

So, please for Allah's sake, sister, acquire some taqwah, it will take you far. Allow Mujib wrora to defend himself. He is a big boy.

Reading your posts on this forum seems that you have a lot of questions and objections about Islam itself. So, please refrain from attacking something for which you yourself are guilty of.

Just a brotherly advice. I hope this is the last time you deal with an ad hominem and Red Herring approach. Deal with the issue at hand. Argue the crux of the matter.

That said, I want to discuss this topic at length with Mujib wrora. I have come to respect him. In the last few posts that we have exchanged, I find him very respectable and he himself is worthy of respect. I believe that he is knowledgeable.

I am still awaiting your response, Mujib Jana.

i am sorry brother if i have offended you, but i think you need to come clean with everyone first. if you are an ahmadi and u seem to be defending and believing in their argument you need to first make that clear. you can't be hiding behind bush.

second, i will ask you a simple question. as an ahmadi what do you consider us (non ahmadis)... muslim or kafir for not believing in his prophethood. isn't this a simple question? please answer it with simple answer of yes or no.

or wait before answering u are going to claim u r not ahmadi.

[amna.]

Why do Ahmadis consider us as non-Muslim? Is that true respected MeemWawMN?

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

i am sorry brother if i have offended you, but i think you need to come clean with everyone first. if you are an ahmadi and u seem to be defending and believing in their argument you need to first make that clear. you can't be hiding behind bush.

second, i will ask you a simple question. as an ahmadi what do you consider us (non ahmadis)... muslim or kafir for not believing in his prophethood. isn't this a simple question? please answer it with simple answer of yes or no.

or wait before answering u are going to claim u r not ahmadi.

I truly believe that you are sorry with your last statement.

Ahmadis believe that anyone who rejects a prophet willfully is a kafir. This is a Quranic guidance. We Muslims believe this also.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Why do Ahmadis consider us as non-Muslim? Is that true respected MeemWawMN?

If Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is a prophet, and we willfully reject then we are kafir.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

How can we know he is a prophet, Is there self-fulfilling information that we have MWMN?

There are two ways to confirm this.

1. Is Hadhrat Isa (as) passed away as per the Holy Quran
2. What does the Holy Quran say about the continuation of prophethood