Why are Ahmadis considered non-Muslims in Pakistan

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Yes.

[Dukhtar-e-Kabul]

What do you think of this?
When God said: "Jesus, I will take you back and raise you up to Me, and purify you of those who are unbelievers. And I will place the people who follow you above those who are unbelievers until the Day of Resurrection. Then you will all return to Me, and I will judge between you regarding the things about which you differed. (Surah Al 'Imran, 3:55)

Doesnt it says Jesus will return?

[شمله ور خراساني]

I don't know how you can possibly use this verse to justify continuation of prophethood till the day of judgement

And this guy was suppose to be the official Mufti of Pashtunforums. A Qadiani.

[شمله ور خراساني]

No wonder Qadianism only has followers among non arabs who are not well versed in basic Arabic to see the flaws of Ahmadiyya arguments.

There is no mufti here but MWMN, is calm and respectful and I think thats why people respect him. I doubt he is Qadiani as he says so himself and I believe him.

well, didn't he open a thread claiming he can answer all questions about Islam?

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

I don't have the hadiths books with me but i can give you the full Sunan Tirmidhi with arabic and english translation and you can search for this hadith. I am doing this because I know that you are more knowledgeable than me in these matters and can find it quicker. so i will give you the link.

Link = Jami a Tirmidhi (Sunan al-Tirmidhi)

May you always be in the care of our Creator. Insha Allah, I will find it.

OK lets discuss why ahmadis believe issa (as) has passed away.

First you bring your proof from the Qura'an that he has passed away and any supporting ahadith then I will post my response.

I will do it tonight, Insha Allah.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

The translation of this verse is clearly wrong and misleading. I am only assuming you got this translation from ahmadiyya sources or someone delieberately translated it this way which would be a major sin.

Let's see how the real scholars and great translators of Qura'n who are widely read and approved of by Ahlul sunnah wal jammah translate this verse. I will bring translation from all major translations.




Surat 'Ali `Imran - The Holy Qur'an - ?????? ??????

None of these translations says all. So there is no proof in the Qura'n that issa (as) has passed away. all these translations mention that there were messengers who passed away before Muhammad (SW) but doesn't say all, so we can safely say issa (as) is still alive and he will return to die on earth before day of judgement.

Arabic is a very profound language, especially the way Allah has used it.

If we use anything but "all" in italics, then it gives the understanding that many have died and many are still alive. And , this would be the case when you would use "many" in italics.

However, if Hadhrat Isa (as) is the only prophet still alive, then it should have used "except" in the actually text and not the italics.

Therefore, according to this verse ALL prophets have passed away. Incidentally, this exact verse was used by Hadhrat Abu Bakr (ra) to calm Hadhrat Umar (ra)down when our beloved Prophet (saw) had passed away. There was no objection. This means that it was understood that "all" prophets have passed away.

I don't know how you can possibly use this verse to justify continuation of prophethood till the day of judgement

If you follow the Arabic and even in the English translation, the verse is in future tense.

[tor_khan]

Anyone can claim anything.

Today, the majority of the world does not believe that Allah exists.
Today, the majority of the world believes that Hadhrat Isa (as) is God.
Today, we have a HUGE population that still worship to idols.
Today, only 20% of the world believes that Hadhrat Muhammad (saw) is a prophet.
Today, of those who believe that Muhammad (saw) is a prophet only a small number of them worship Allah the way he (saw) did. The rest have no clue why they follow Hadhrat Muhammad (saw).

Would like me to go on?

One must beg to question what is the purpose of life? If one cares then it is a simple task.

1. Where does this come from?

2. There seems to be some cloudiness in the agenda that is being supported here. Bahais and Druze etc. share parallels with Islam, but they are not Muslims. The consensus is that Qadianis are non Muslims because of their interpretation of finality of prophethood - if past scholars have come to this decision, then khallas. Is there any further debate to be had?

[شمله ور خراساني]

Sangar don't become the next Maseed by labelling people with sect names. How do you feel when someone calls you Salafi . Talk with izzat.

salamalaikom Mwmn. I am willing to learn about this concept as I know about you guys in Pekhawar.

what proof do you have that Jesus will not return as the messiah.


nice to meet you.

he is a self proclaimed qadiani.

[eusuphxai]

You guys do not get my question. I am not here justifiying ther beliefs. I am asking why do we kill them even though they work for Islam and pray 5x a day?

what are you talking about , we are killing anyone these days. no discrimination what so ever

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

The concept of the Messiah is very simple:

A law-bearing prophet brings the Law, his Messiah spreads it. Simple.

Hadhrat Musa (as) brought the Law; Hadhrat Isa (as) spread the Law. Otherwise, what need did we have for Hadhrat Isa (as)?