Muharam why Sunnis are not observing this day???????

[graveyardofempires]

It means the whole Afghan government, the Loya jerga, parliament,the president, cabinet, all governors, ANA, NA, all provincial ministers and governors, Walis, Olaswals, police, law enforcement agencies and all those Afghans who voted for the current government and parliament are also Non Muslims. It means only Taliban are Muslims in Afghanistan.

My political approach is the same as that of karzai and his allies.

talk about yourself you dont represent any of those you mentioned.
and dont even dare to use the Afghan people you genocidal maniac.
no one voted karzai in you are living in a fantasieland thinking th elections were right and how can you have elections under an occupation,it was a puppet show.

[JAMALUDEEN]

Sure I know if the admin of this forum is pashtun then more likely he will be a muslim same to me. I have nothing against my belief. But sure the forum is a nationalist forum for pashtuns. Most of pashtuns are not necessarily religious scholars though some may be are religiously more knowledgeable. If every thread starts with a religous discussion this show that the forum is something like an Islamic forum. Then some will be scholars there and others will put questions to know about the religious perspective. This violates the purpose of the forum. Where we need all pashtuns whether they are religious scholars are just simple pashtuns. We need their point of view about pashtuns problems in terms of worldly explanations rather than some super natural myths. This will be more akin to other nations of the world. Minimize your sectarian fights please.

Rishtia you might not be a pashtun reading Mandharh (a branch of Esepzais ) as Hindu Munder (the hindu temple). Oh of course this forum has more outsiders than pashtuns. It seems your mistake is unintentional.

If you submit to Allah swt and believe that Mohammad PBUH was his last messenger, ...and follow islam. Then if every topic turns into islamic one inhere, why do you have a problem with that?

I don't see the logic.

You are a muslim
A topic starts and turns into religious islamic one.
and you don't agree with it turning into an islamic topic...

You love something.. but you don't want it..

no logic...

[JAMALUDEEN]

It means the whole Afghan government, the Loya jerga, parliament,the president, cabinet, all governors, ANA, NA, all provincial ministers and governors, Walis, Olaswals, police, law enforcement agencies and all those Afghans who voted for the current government and parliament are also Non Muslims. It means only Taliban are Muslims in Afghanistan.

My political approach is the same as that of karzai and his allies.

Karzai's allies bomb innocent civilians... your approach is the same..
All Karzai does is talk about stopping the bomb attacks on innocent civilians..your approach is the same.
Karzai is a puppet.. your are the same..
Karzai and his allies are fighting terrorism through bombing your watan... your approach is the same..

[al-arab]

Then I do not see the point of this thread Osho if you agree.

All I said is well-known. You should visit the Iraq/Arab world for clarification of how Muharram is celebrated among Sunnis.

You should visit Karbala during Ashura. You would quickly yourself say that self-harm and other Un-Islamic things that are done that day by some Shia's is not right.

And why do you support secularism?

[Manzareh]

Al arab
osho is not a muslim ,he pretends to be and he supports the genocide of muslim afghans and calls it collatral damage.

He's a Munafiq, worse than a Kafir

[The Qur'an has hundreds of ayāt (verses) discussing munāfiqūn, referring to them as more dangerous to Muslims than the worst non-Muslim enemies of Islam. The Qur'an states, "The hypocrites will be in the lowest depths of the Fire: no helper wilt thou find for them." - (Qur'an 4:145).]

[graveyardofempires]

He's a Munafiq, worse than a Kafir

[The Qur'an has hundreds of ayāt (verses) discussing munāfiqūn, referring to them as more dangerous to Muslims than the worst non-Muslim enemies of Islam. The Qur'an states, "The hypocrites will be in the lowest depths of the Fire: no helper wilt thou find for them." - (Qur'an 4:145).]

Indeed

[Nora]

OMG its sooo horrible that shia muslim beat theirsleve like that I just watched it on tv....:\



Shias targeted in deadly Afghan shrine blasts - YouTube

[Michin Khel]

I have never heard any sunni praising yazid in my life, why would they praise such lanati man?

[MohannaD]

That what's every Sunni do. But some also mourn the death of Imam Hussein (ra) the same day out of respect by fasting.

It's nothing similar to the Ashura. It is common in the Middle East. I don't know how it is in North Africa (Libya, Tunisia etc.)

Not every Sunni fasts. And as per my knowledge the people who fast do it because the Prophet Muhammad Alaihy Assalat Wa Assalam did it after knowing that the Jewish people fast one day to thank Allah for Musa's survivor, however I do recall an exceptional case "one person or more" on a website . In Egypt they make a sweet dish called Aashorah, this shows they are not mourning.

I'm not saying you're making up stuff , maybe some "minorities" mourn, and it might be the effects of the Shi'ah culture .

[MohannaD]

It's not right to tell a "Muslim" that he/she is not a Muslim just like that and what's worse on an online site .

[al-arab]

Not every Sunni fasts. And as per my knowledge the people who fast do it because the Prophet Muhammad Alaihy Assalat Wa Assalam did it after knowing that the Jewish people fast one day to thank Allah for Musa's survivor, however I do recall an exceptional case "one person or more" on a website . In Egypt they make a sweet dish called Aashorah, this shows they are not mourning.

I'm not saying you're making up stuff , maybe some "minorities" mourn, and it might be the effects of the Shi'ah culture .

Let me correct myself. What I meant is that every Sunni Muslim SHOULD do it. Not that every one does it. I mean logically that is impossible just if we look at this forum.

Yes, our Prophet Muhammad (SAW) said that we should fast on this because Musa and his followers were saved by the Pharoah. Prophet Muhammad (SAW) fasted on the 10th day of Muharram in Mekkah. Since then it has been recommended by the Sunni Ulama to also fast on this day.

When I say mourn I do not mean anything near to some of the un-Islamic things that happen when Shia's celebrate the Ashura. But more as a silent mourn out of respect for Imam Hussein (ra) also known as the "Prince of Martyrs".

It is also common to eat sweets in the Arab world in the Middle East. We do the same as in Egypt and many other Muslim countries (mostly Sunni) but just different sweets.

[Afghanistan2010]

Exactly brother Al arab....a slight addition to your hadith....

The Jews fast this day aswell (or were fasting during the time of the Prophet (pbuh) ) so he ordered the muslims to fast two days , so we differ from the jews.
And we fast two days.

I myself fast what i can , and i know the importance of such days but i did not fast.
And Allah knows best.

[Catya Sher]

Good to see Jamaludeen standing firmly against Osho's nonsense.
Yes, what Manzareh wrote is very profound.

Osho, we are calling on you to revise your thinking and ways
I see there's hope for you because you have SOME sensitivity about this
matter.

But you wrote earlier that it's "arrogant" - as I remember - of Afghans
to not go along with Western ways imposed by the NATO-Karzai regime
policies of oppression of Afghans.

This entire Ashura time is meant to remind all that
oppression of good people everywhere is simply cruel.

Consider that.

I just saw the signature of the guy above - I pray they are all
reading that AND backing out of assignments in Afghanistan and
muslim world entirely.

These Blackwater people MUST go and fight things that are
a real threat to America. That means
the Jewish "Russian" mafia, etc.

If they are brave, they will do this to defend Americans against
this evil octapus which has a stranglehold on all sorts of America
govt. agencies so they are never prosecuted.

People suffer all the time from this mostly Jewish mafia based all over
but often composed of Russian & Ukrainians who emigrated to "isnotreal"

It's such a complex web that few know even anything about this
Red Mafiya [title of a book which exposes some of it in earlier years].

So BLACKwater should fight the RED Mafia....
not to mention the New World Order ... while they are at it.

They chose the wrong enemy entirely.
Maybe if Blackwater and its spinoffs are serious about fighting evil
they can drop this Afghanistan - Iraq - Iran - Pakistan
invasion idea and
do some GOOD for a big change !!!
[My sermon based on that powerful signature !]

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

Catya, why don't you just wave your wand around a bit and turn osho into a frog? I bet you learned to turn people into frogs when you were merely at the apprentice level.

[Afghanistan2010]

Good to see Jamaludeen standing firmly against Osho's nonsense.
Yes, what Manzareh wrote is very profound.

Osho, we are calling on you to revise your thinking and ways
I see there's hope for you because you have SOME sensitivity about this
matter.

But you wrote earlier that it's "arrogant" - as I remember - of Afghans
to not go along with Western ways imposed by the NATO-Karzai regime
policies of oppression of Afghans.

This entire Ashura time is meant to remind all that
oppression of good people everywhere is simply cruel.

Consider that.

I just saw the signature of the guy above - I pray they are all
reading that AND backing out of assignments in Afghanistan and
muslim world entirely.

These Blackwater people MUST go and fight things that are
a real threat to America. That means
the Jewish "Russian" mafia, etc.

If they are brave, they will do this to defend Americans against
this evil octapus which has a stranglehold on all sorts of America
govt. agencies so they are never prosecuted.

People suffer all the time from this mostly Jewish mafia based all over
but often composed of Russian & Ukrainians who emigrated to "isnotreal"

It's such a complex web that few know even anything about this
Red Mafiya [title of a book which exposes some of it in earlier years].

So BLACKwater should fight the RED Mafia....
not to mention the New World Order ... while they are at it.

They chose the wrong enemy entirely.
Maybe if Blackwater and its spinoffs are serious about fighting evil
they can drop this Afghanistan - Iraq - Iran - Pakistan
invasion idea and
do some GOOD for a big change !!!
[My sermon based on that powerful signature !]

my signature is directed not to peace with Blackwater or any other organistation that worked either in iraq or afghanistan as contractor.

my signature was a promise to those people.

they are dogs and bunch of criminals and i don't see anything wrong when the iraqi resistance fighters slaughter them into small pieces with unsharped blades.

Blackwater and other organistations including the CIA,MI6 and Mossad are true terrorist organistations.

And the islamic world has the right to burn every person belonging to the above organistations alive with fire or acid.

they are the same terrorists as the KGB and other factions belonging to China and Russia (two dicators oppressing its people).

every person has the right to defend itself.

end addition.