pashtun tribes and their origin

[Toramana]

And by the way, there are many inaccuracies in the description you've given of the history and ways of different tribes e.g. generally, the more aggregarian/fuedalistic a society the more its elite tend to intermarry amongst themselves....On the general, they would also prefer to marry into influential non-Pashtun families compared to relatively less wealthy Pashtun families...What about the Jorai Khanan, who have heavily intermarried into the family of the Wali of Swat despite its controversial Gujar backgroud.

The kind of egilatarian equality you are talking of exists only in early tribal society. The more a society tends to be aggregarian, the more the class-based divisions tend to emerge in it even within the same tribe...Most of the Taleban leaders were second and third rank (pure) Pukhtuns that felt left out of the type of system of resource-privileges distribution Wali Swat had devised as a divide-and-rule strategy and post-Wali period had sustained. Another factor was the breakdown of the land-distribution system of Shiekh Mali (da Shiekh Mali daftar) and the adoption by the Yousafzais of sedentary life-style based on feudal/aggregarian relations...

[gadoonwal]

the wali and khanan relation may be true.Since you are from swat so can throw some lights on that.
The vast majority of pashtuns do,nt do this.

[Toramana]

The vaste majority maintains that tradition because it is not as affluent (in the sense of land-ownership) as the khans/feudals are and has not yet been transformed by modernization to base a person's place in society on merit. Anyhow, in places where there is more urbanization e.g. people are increasingly becoming unconcerned about tribal affiliation in matters of marriage, etc.

[Toramana]

Anyhow, guys, I have reached one conclusion that Pashtuns are not yet ready for running a modern state. Just imagine, someone approaching the kasabgars (the artisan class who demographically outweight the pure Pashtuns) and telling them your status in the proposed loy Afghanistan or Pashtunistan, or whatever its name would be, will be that of servents i.e. second-rated...I don't think anyone likes to be counted second-rated especially in this age of globalization.

Unable to raise above tribal identities, possibly, the only way left for Pashtuns to develop the required level of sophistication to be able to run a state is to be transformed by another power regional or extra-regional provided if in that process they don't loose their identity altogethor.

As one looks carefully, only Punjabis, Tajaks (or Persians), and Urdu-speaking Mahajars seem to be ready to build and run modern institutions. They are resourceful, sophisticated, and skilled. I am not sure about Sindhis...As for Baluchis, they are demographically insignificant as well as still tribal.

[Toramana]

By the way, the existence of artisan and professional classes is a sign/indication of more evolved societies. Only primitive and tribal societies tend to lack "skilled" human-resouce---In the medieval age, such skilled workers could be imported from areas that were more civilzed (e.g. Hindustan) but in todays age, it is not possible...

The other thing is, the artisan classes were kind of forebearers of today's engineer, designers, art workers, etc. Fundamentally, they were creative poople compared to the parasitic lot that only owned land. With the advent of industrialization, the role they played in the traditional society became more important. In a modern state, feudal attitude has no place...

[Manzareh]

Clearly, we don't keep track of tribe information in Swat, so my parents don't know which tribe and which clan we are from

^ Na, not according to my experiences with them. And my cousins till date don't know their tribe information, either. And even online, I know of barely one Pukhtun who knows her tribe name and gives it any importance.

In Swat we have tribal identity's such as Mulaan, Miyagaan, Gujjar, Parajkaan.

most people i know from Swat know this, even the ones that are not born or visited Swat.

[کیش]

Toramana, what the hell are you ranting about? This was suppose to be about Pashto tribes, and their origins and your talking about how backwards Pashtuns are compared to their neighbors.

You want them to become modern? How modern? You mean get in debt like the United States? You do know that the US, has the most highest violent crimes in the world. Isn't that backward?

Racism was/is still around, how backwards is that?

Outside Americas city, people are backwards and illiterate.

[PakiPathan]

In Swat we have tribal identity's such as Mulaan, Miyagaan, Gujjar, Parajkaan.

most people i know from Swat know this, even the ones that are not born or visited Swat.

These are not tribal identities; Mulyan, Myagaan, Parajgaan are social appellations based on professions and not ethnic roots.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

These are not tribal identities; Mulyan, Myagaan, Parajgaan are social appellations based on professions and not ethnic roots.

True. Tribes are Yousafzais or Salaarzai and then the sub-groupings like wahdatkhel, jangiikhel, etc among the Yousafzais. That is what one's clan or subtribe is. You just have to ask a relative or Parent and they can fill you in. I am a a Yousafzai and then within it a Jangiikhel.

[emkhan]

True. Tribes are Yousafzais or Salaarzai and then the sub-groupings like wahdatkhel, jangiikhel, etc among the Yousafzais. That is what one's clan or subtribe is. You just have to ask a relative or Parent and they can fill you in. I am a a Yousafzai and then within it a Jangiikhel.

It is jangikhel or jankikhel ?
yes these are sub sub tribes in yousafzai. our khel is Azikhel and then divided into more sub tribes.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

It is jangikhel or jankikhel ?
yes these are sub sub tribes in yousafzai. our khel is Azikhel and then divided into more sub tribes.

They may be two separate clans. Where are the jankikhels situated?

[Michin Khel]

Within marwat tribe i am of achukhel section. Within achukhel i am of nawar khel tribe. Nawar khel has many sub-tribes in which i belong to zafar khel sub-tribe.
All those who live in pashtun areas know full details of their tribal formula. I have cousins who live in islamabad, they have no clue what is their tribe within marwats. I think same will be the case with those who live in west.
I have swati , dirojen classfellows and i have asked them of their sub-tribes within yousafazais, they know about it.

[emkhan]

Jankikhel are i think in sheen area but i am not sure... But i have heard this name from my mother so many times... I have forgot who they are...
may i ask you where are you from ?

[BLS_1919v2.0]

Jankikhel are i think in sheen area but i am not sure... But i have this name from my mother so many times... I have forgot who they are...
may i ask you where are you from ?

lol I already told you...Shangla.

[emkhan]

lol I already told you...Shangla.

Oh sorry yes... Then jankikhel is not from shangla. Yours is different.