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perhaps u will care 2 show me where caliph 1, 2 and 3 are shown in quran 2 be the righful heirs?
lo, no sunni has ever claimed this where did you get this idea from stop making stuff up
I mean Caliph 1 elected in haste at saqiffa
Amir asked: “When was the oath of allegiance given to Abu Bakr?”
“The very day the Messenger of Allah died,” he (Saeed) replied. “People disliked to be left even part of the day without being organized into a community (jama’ah).”
(The History of al-Tabari, Vol.1, p.195)
(prophets body and burial were ignored)
It is related by Umar that as they were seated in the Prophet’s house, a man cried out all of a sudden from outside: “O Son of Khattab (i.e. Umar), pray step out for a moment.” Umar told him to leave them alone and go away as they were busy in making arrangements for the burial of the Prophet. The man replied that an incident had occurred: the Ansar were gathering in force at Saqifah Bani Sa’idah, and–as the situation was grave–it was necessary that he (Umar) should go and look into the matter lest the Ansar should do something which would lead to a (civil) war. On this, Umar said to Abu Bakr: “Let us go.”
(Al Faruq, by Allamah Shibli Numani, Vol 1, p.87)
that's what your own shiah website has posted..no explanation needed here the hadith speaks for itself
Umar learned of this (i.e. the gathering of the Ansar at Saqifah) and went to the Prophet’s house and sent (a message) to Abu Bakr, who was in the building…[Umar] sent a message to Abu Bakr to come to him. Abu Bakr sent back (a message) that he was occupied (i.e. with caring for the Prophet’s body), but Umar sent him another message, saying: “Something (terrible) has happened that you must attend to personally.” So he (Abu Bakr) came out to him…
(The History of al-Tabari, Vol.10, p.3)
we can see form these hadiths that the situation wasnt what you make out it to be Abuaker [ra] even refused Umar [ra] but was force to leave the prophets [sww] body after he was convinced of the dire situation that was taking place in the saqifa.
from the hadith below we can see that your claims of Abubker[ra] missing on the burial of the prophet is absolutely false
The task of washing the body being over, the Companions were divided over the place of burial. Abu Bakr then said: “I have heard from the Messenger of Allah that every Prophet is buried at the spot where he has breathed his last.” The Prophet’s bedding was accordingly removed from the place and a grave was dug for him at the spot.
(Tareekh al-Islam, Vol.1, p.246)
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ansar disagreed and there were words and swords raised...
lol you shot your selfe in the foot buddy... that's the reason why ABUBAKER and Umar[ra] left the prophets body... the ansar were ready to declare civil war because a particular tribe would not allow them to appoint their own calif
we read
(The) Ansar said: “In case they reject our Caliph, we shall drive them out from Al-Medinah at the point of our swords.” However, the few Muhajirs in the assembly protested against this attitude and this led to a dispute and disorder of a serious nature and a war between the Muhajirs and Ansars seemed possible. When the situation took this ugly turn, Mughirah ibn Shubah left the trouble spot and came to the Prophet’s Mosque to relate what was going on in Saqifah Banu Sa’idah.
(Tareekh Al-Islam, Vol.1, p.273-274)
the Reason the ansar were appointing their own man as calif ''Saad ibn Ubaadah'' was because During the Islamic conquest of Mecca he was given the standard to carry by the prophet [sww] his aggressive attitude towards the Quraish, the prophet [sww] took the standard away from him
we read
When the Apostle of Allah ordered Saad ibn Ubaadah to enter Mecca carrying the standard, he (Saad) became aggressive towards the people and showed the anger he felt against them. He entered Mecca shouting: “Today is the day of slaughter, the day of capturing any daughter.”
Al-Abbas heard him and asked the Prophet: “Haven’t you heard what Saad ibn Ubaadah is saying? I am afraid that he will attack Quraish fiercely.”
(Kitab al-Irshad, by Shaykh Mufid, p.92)
so how can you expect them to appoint him as a calif when the Prophet himself took the standard away from him and gave it to one of the Muhajirs...
as we can see Saad ibn Ubaadah was very militant and aggressive towards the the Muhajirs and the quraish in particular that the reason he was striped of the standard by the prophet [sww] Saad ibn Ubaadah was ready to fight the muhajirun and the quraish, we have a saying in pashto ''the ghumbaso pa jala nast ye'' meaning you are waiting to start a war
it was for that very reason that that Abubaker and Umar [ra] opposed the ansar from appointing him as the calif had they succeeded in doig so there would have been civil war among the ansar and muhajirun with out a doubt.
If any thing you should be thanking them for stopping such an ugly thing from happening.
besides the prophet him selfe said that after his death the leader ship of the ummah be given to the quraish
we read
(Tareekh al-Islam, Vol.2, p.22)
It is for these practical reasons that the Prophet (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) said:
“Our political authority shall remain with the Quraish…as long as they follow Islam.”
(Bukhari: Kitabu’l-Ahkam)
And the Prophet (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) warned the Ansar:
“In this matter (i.e. leadership), bring forward the Quraish and do not try to supersede them.”
(Talkhis al-Habeer, Vol.2, p.26)
As well as:
“After me, the political authority shall be transferred to the Quraish.”
(Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hambal, vol. 3, p. 183)
The Prophet (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) clearly explained the reason for this:
“People (of Arabia) in this matter (i.e. leadership) follow the Quraish. The believers of Arabia are the followers of their believers and the disbelievers of Arabia are the followers of their disbelievers.”
(Muslim, Kitabu’l-Imarah)
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caliph 2 elected with the will of caliph 1 (funny seeing as there was no shura for him)
caliph 3 elected with a shura of 6 with Abd rahman ibn auf holding a veto vote ( he being the bro in law of caliph 3 )
lo, no sunni has ever claimed this where did you get this idea from stop making stuff up
I mean Caliph 1 elected in haste at saqiffa
Amir asked: “When was the oath of allegiance given to Abu Bakr?”
“The very day the Messenger of Allah died,” he (Saeed) replied. “People disliked to be left even part of the day without being organized into a community (jama’ah).”
(The History of al-Tabari, Vol.1, p.195)
(prophets body and burial were ignored)
It is related by Umar that as they were seated in the Prophet’s house, a man cried out all of a sudden from outside: “O Son of Khattab (i.e. Umar), pray step out for a moment.” Umar told him to leave them alone and go away as they were busy in making arrangements for the burial of the Prophet. The man replied that an incident had occurred: the Ansar were gathering in force at Saqifah Bani Sa’idah, and–as the situation was grave–it was necessary that he (Umar) should go and look into the matter lest the Ansar should do something which would lead to a (civil) war. On this, Umar said to Abu Bakr: “Let us go.”
(Al Faruq, by Allamah Shibli Numani, Vol 1, p.87)
that's what your own shiah website has posted..no explanation needed here the hadith speaks for itself
Umar learned of this (i.e. the gathering of the Ansar at Saqifah) and went to the Prophet’s house and sent (a message) to Abu Bakr, who was in the building…[Umar] sent a message to Abu Bakr to come to him. Abu Bakr sent back (a message) that he was occupied (i.e. with caring for the Prophet’s body), but Umar sent him another message, saying: “Something (terrible) has happened that you must attend to personally.” So he (Abu Bakr) came out to him…
(The History of al-Tabari, Vol.10, p.3)
we can see form these hadiths that the situation wasnt what you make out it to be Abuaker [ra] even refused Umar [ra] but was force to leave the prophets [sww] body after he was convinced of the dire situation that was taking place in the saqifa.
from the hadith below we can see that your claims of Abubker[ra] missing on the burial of the prophet is absolutely false
The task of washing the body being over, the Companions were divided over the place of burial. Abu Bakr then said: “I have heard from the Messenger of Allah that every Prophet is buried at the spot where he has breathed his last.” The Prophet’s bedding was accordingly removed from the place and a grave was dug for him at the spot.
(Tareekh al-Islam, Vol.1, p.246)
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ansar disagreed and there were words and swords raised...
lol you shot your selfe in the foot buddy... that's the reason why ABUBAKER and Umar[ra] left the prophets body... the ansar were ready to declare civil war because a particular tribe would not allow them to appoint their own calif
we read
(The) Ansar said: “In case they reject our Caliph, we shall drive them out from Al-Medinah at the point of our swords.” However, the few Muhajirs in the assembly protested against this attitude and this led to a dispute and disorder of a serious nature and a war between the Muhajirs and Ansars seemed possible. When the situation took this ugly turn, Mughirah ibn Shubah left the trouble spot and came to the Prophet’s Mosque to relate what was going on in Saqifah Banu Sa’idah.
(Tareekh Al-Islam, Vol.1, p.273-274)
the Reason the ansar were appointing their own man as calif ''Saad ibn Ubaadah'' was because During the Islamic conquest of Mecca he was given the standard to carry by the prophet [sww] his aggressive attitude towards the Quraish, the prophet [sww] took the standard away from him
we read
When the Apostle of Allah ordered Saad ibn Ubaadah to enter Mecca carrying the standard, he (Saad) became aggressive towards the people and showed the anger he felt against them. He entered Mecca shouting: “Today is the day of slaughter, the day of capturing any daughter.”
Al-Abbas heard him and asked the Prophet: “Haven’t you heard what Saad ibn Ubaadah is saying? I am afraid that he will attack Quraish fiercely.”
(Kitab al-Irshad, by Shaykh Mufid, p.92)
so how can you expect them to appoint him as a calif when the Prophet himself took the standard away from him and gave it to one of the Muhajirs...
as we can see Saad ibn Ubaadah was very militant and aggressive towards the the Muhajirs and the quraish in particular that the reason he was striped of the standard by the prophet [sww] Saad ibn Ubaadah was ready to fight the muhajirun and the quraish, we have a saying in pashto ''the ghumbaso pa jala nast ye'' meaning you are waiting to start a war
it was for that very reason that that Abubaker and Umar [ra] opposed the ansar from appointing him as the calif had they succeeded in doig so there would have been civil war among the ansar and muhajirun with out a doubt.
If any thing you should be thanking them for stopping such an ugly thing from happening.
besides the prophet him selfe said that after his death the leader ship of the ummah be given to the quraish
we read
(Tareekh al-Islam, Vol.2, p.22)
It is for these practical reasons that the Prophet (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) said:
“Our political authority shall remain with the Quraish…as long as they follow Islam.”
(Bukhari: Kitabu’l-Ahkam)
And the Prophet (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) warned the Ansar:
“In this matter (i.e. leadership), bring forward the Quraish and do not try to supersede them.”
(Talkhis al-Habeer, Vol.2, p.26)
As well as:
“After me, the political authority shall be transferred to the Quraish.”
(Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hambal, vol. 3, p. 183)
The Prophet (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) clearly explained the reason for this:
“People (of Arabia) in this matter (i.e. leadership) follow the Quraish. The believers of Arabia are the followers of their believers and the disbelievers of Arabia are the followers of their disbelievers.”
(Muslim, Kitabu’l-Imarah)
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caliph 2 elected with the will of caliph 1 (funny seeing as there was no shura for him)
caliph 3 elected with a shura of 6 with Abd rahman ibn auf holding a veto vote ( he being the bro in law of caliph 3 )
i will get back to the rest
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