Shia Islam for Dummies: Ask Those who Know

[Dreamer]

sorry not dismiss... I MEANT EXILED!

[abubaker]

Im not discriminating... they made errors... u make tjem 2 be infalliable....

LOOL


iam not a mushrik [God forbid] like your people, its the 12 imams that are considered infallible by your people

[Dreamer]

again ur not grasping that I dont believe in IMAMATE.... do u neeed it spelling it out? Nor do u grasp that i am not a shia in the modern sence!... so its not my ppl! but at least they unlike u can defend their beliefs by using UR books like I have done

[Dreamer]

Nasebee u need a refund on ur glassess so u can read what i write!

[Dreamer]

so come on.... why did caliph 3 exile Hz Abu Dar?

[Dreamer]

who were the 12 caliphs
why did ur precious muwiyya go 2 war with Imam Ali
why did Muawiyya break his prmoise to Imam Hassan and Hussain
why did he make his drunk son a king?

[Dreamer]

Ur silence on Hz Abu dar is deafening
he opposed the caliphs nepotisim and the caliph exiled him 2 syria!

[Dreamer]

answer those nasebee and the question that ur stuck on most.... who were those 12 amirs? ur on 5 now 7 2 go still!

[abubaker]

its not unfounded.... why did he dismiss abu dar whne he complained about the banu unmaya? why did he appoint corrupt ppl from his family 2 posts? thats NEPOTISM a word u didnt knw of untill I told u what it was! answer who the 12 amirs are...

there is no need to bring this up any more i have already cleared this up in my previous post

[Dreamer]

LOOOOOOOL.... who were the 12 amirs and please enlighten us about Hz Abu Dar! U Nasebee

[Dreamer]

oh and do go 2 specsavers!

[abubaker]

answer those nasebee and the question that ur stuck on most.... who were those 12 amirs? ur on 5 now 7 2 go still!

first of all i dont believe in Ali [ra] supposedly divine appointment as the imam which would make him the first amir right

why don't you prove this from the quran, since Ali [ra] appointment as the Imam is the basis for the imama/12 amirs

show me anything from the quran that translate to any thing like this

“there will be twelve Imams after the Prophet Muhammad (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم), and you must follow them''

[Dreamer]

I believe in the calim of the AHLE BAYT being the prophets heirs.... the political heirs... i do not attach supernatual powers them.... they themselves maintained their claim 2 leadership and were persecuted for it by ur muawyiiyas dynasty....
READ UR BULKHARI and tell me who the 12 amirs are!
Imam Ali had the strongest claim as shown by the seera

[abubaker]

LOOOOOOOL.... who were the 12 amirs and please enlighten us about Hz Abu Dar! U Nasebee

provide proof for your 12 amirs from the quran go on i challenge you

personal attacks wont get you any where

this is why didn't want to discuss this in the first place the likes of you always resort to came calling, man up and provide evidence for your 12 amirs from the quran

[Dreamer]

anyway naseebee please do read up on the case of Hz Abu dar!.... cant sweet that 1 under the rug or say reports about his treatment at the hands of the caliph (3) were out of context looooool