Shia Islam for Dummies: Ask Those who Know

[شمله ور خراساني]

U are the 1 who claims 2 accept 100% BUKHARI so now BUKHARI tells u what I have told u.... refute it and u are saying Bukari lies!..... U are self impaling urself!

No. I am not. Why should I refute it? Before I even begin to discuss the hadeeth, please give me an answer.

Should I believe everything in BUkhari, or only that which serves your interests?

[شمله ور خراساني]

Why is it that Shi'ites claim that Bukhari and Muslim are fabcriactions of Nawasib, yet they want us to single out some narrations in those books and believe only in those because it suites Shi'ite agenda of "refuting" Sunni Islam?

There must be a logical answer to this question. Because if the truth really is with the Shi'ite, then why won't they guide us to the truth?

[Dreamer]

LOOOOL IM USING UR SOURCES 2 DISPROVE U.... SINCE U ALREADY STATED THAT U ACCEPT 100% BUKHARI... Im not asking u 2 believe anything that I tell u 2 regarding Bukhari.... If I debate witha christian I use the Bible as my sources since he wont accept quran.... with u I use Bukhari since u accept BUKHARI.....

[Dreamer]

Why is it that Shi'ites claim that Bukhari and Muslim are fabcriactions of Nawasib, yet they want us to single out some narrations in those books and believe only in those because it suites Shi'ite agenda of "refuting" Sunni Islam?

There must be a logical answer to this question. Because if the truth really is with the Shi'ite, then why won't they guide us to the truth?

u belive in BUKHARI AS SAHIH so now why are u running away from these sahih hadith??????

[شمله ور خراساني]

u belive in BUKHARI AS SAHIH so now why are u running away from these sahih hadith??????

I am not running away. I ams simply asking you a question. If I should believe what you say and believe that that which you quote from Bukhari is true, then I should I trust everything that is in BUkhari or not?

[Abu Hurayrah]

Actually Dreamer is right here, you can't use circular argument here. Like Abu Hurayrah (ra) is right because he said something about himself.

The authenticity of Abu Hurayrah and other narrators depended on the Sahaba, Tabi'yin and their trustworthiness. It does not matter for people like him if we show Sahaba testifying that Abu Hurayrah is trustworthy, or Imam Bukhari , or the later generations. Because anyone from among the Sahaba, except 4, where Kuffaar, and anyone now from amongst the muslims is a Kafir, because we don't believe in the fairytale of Imamat.

The Sahaba had a Ijma on his reliability, Ibn Umar, Ibn Abbas even recorded riwayat on his trustworthiness. If this was not enough, in the book Kashf al Ghimmah, the fourth Shia imam, Zayn al Abidin trusts Abu Hurayrah and narrates his narration. source: (Rijaal Ibn Dawud Al Heelay: page 198)

[Dreamer]

U evidently dont knw how 2 debate.... I myself believe as TIMBUKHTU tells u that BUKHARI contains elements of truth in it.... each hadith has to be weighed individually... I do not live under the title of sahih... U DO... U ACCEPT 100% EVERYTHING in its covers... therefore explain those hadith!

[شمله ور خراساني]

LOOOOL IM USING UR SOURCES 2 DISPROVE U.... SINCE U ALREADY STATED THAT U ACCEPT 100% BUKHARI... Im not asking u 2 believe anything that I tell u 2 regarding Bukhari.... If I debate witha christian I use the Bible as my sources since he wont accept quran.... with u I use Bukhari since u accept BUKHARI.....

Are you considering Sunnis as equals to Christians against whom you can use "their" book to refute them? LOL

You dont need to write in capital letters. I can read your responses.

Just answer my question. If these narrations are the truth, is eveyrhting else in Bukhari likewise, true?

[Dreamer]

The authenticity of Abu Hurayrah and other narrators depended on the Sahaba, Tabi'yin and their trustworthiness. It does not matter for people like him if we show Sahaba testifying that Abu Hurayrah is trustworthy, or Imam Bukhari , or the later generations. Because anyone from among the Sahaba, except 4, where Kuffaar, and anyone now from amongst the muslims is a Kafir, because we don't believe in the fairytale of Imamat.

The Sahaba had a Ijma on his reliability, Ibn Umar, Ibn Abbas even recorded riwayat on his trustworthiness. If this was not enough, in the book Kashf al Ghimmah, the fourth Shia imam, Zayn al Abidin trusts Abu Hurayrah and narrates his narration. source: (Rijaal Ibn Dawud Al Heelay: page 198)

one word! LOL

[شمله ور خراساني]

U evidently dont knw how 2 debate.... I myself believe as TIMBUKHTU tells u that BUKHARI contains elements of truth in it.... each hadith has to be weighed individually... I do not live under the title of sahih... U DO... U ACCEPT 100% EVERYTHING in its covers... therefore explain those hadith!

Okay, so let us take your word for it and accept that Sahih Bukhari is not Sahih.

Why are some narrations correct ( the ones you post) and everything else that contradicts shi'ite domga is false?

[Abu Hurayrah]

Seriously, why don't you put all your spam in one post instead of flooding around?

[Dreamer]

Are you considering Sunnis as equals to Christians against whom you can use "their" book to refute them? LOL

You dont need to write in capital letters. I can read your responses.

Just answer my question. If these narrations are the truth, is eveyrhting else in Bukhari likewise, true?

because obviously the rules dont permeate in2 ur head.... thats why caps are used.... CHRISTIANS were used as an example..... U are sunni... u accept BUKHARI as 100% reliable.... therefore I shld use BUKHARI to disprove u.... I have! If I used Kafee u wld say its a shia book I dnt accept.... so Im using a book u accept.... a Book U accept as 100% accurate

[Dreamer]

Okay, so let us take your word for it and accept that Sahih Bukhari is not Sahih.

Why are some narrations correct ( the ones you post) and everything else that contradicts shi'ite domga is false?

U ACCEPT IT AS TRUE,..... THATS WHY Im using it... it doesnt matter what I think abt it... the fact is U BELIEVE IT 2 BE TRUE....

[Dreamer]

@Sangar... 1st learn how 2 debate and use sources with whom ur debating with then come and talk... u cant defend ur hadith which casts ur beliefs in a negative light thats fine... just say it... stop running away from them

[شمله ور خراساني]

U ACCEPT IT AS TRUE,..... THATS WHY Im using it... it doesnt matter what I think abt it... the fact is U BELIEVE IT 2 BE TRUE....

If you want to convince me that something is true or false then you have to say something about your source.

If you want me to accept that you are telling the truth, then you must affirm that your source is reliable. If you can't affirm that the source is reliable, why should I take your word as truth?

If the true Islam really is with the Shi'ites, why is it such a problem for you to guide other non-Shi'ites to the truth?

If you really do believe that Shi'ism is the right way towards paradise, then why won't you make it easier on us to follow this path?


Just answer the question: Are all narration in Bukhari the truth or only those used by Shi'ites?