Islam and Women

[Dreamer]

A slave who converts to Islam is still a slave and as such is subject to being owned and if her master wants to be forced into sex... Her head must be uncovered and she is in no way equal to a free woman...

[Dila Teer Bija]

A slave who converts to Islam is still a slave and as such is subject to being owned and if her master wants to be forced into sex... Her head must be uncovered and she is in no way equal to a free woman...

No

Muslims are not allowed to enslave other Muslims so there cannot be Muslim slaves.

[DaZahroJaam.]

No

Muslims are not allowed to enslave other Muslims so there cannot be Muslim slaves.

o that makes it so much better.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

and you are pissed off because you don't get to justify talking about filthy subjects as if this was your family living room the way you always do and then pretend to be high and mighty.

the only filthiness is your attitude towards something, not the subject.

[Dreamer]

No

Muslims are not allowed to enslave other Muslims so there cannot be Muslim slaves.

Read my post carefully... A slave converting to Islam is still a slave post conversion

[Dreamer]

Outlaw slavery- problem solved we are no longer in some backwater 7th century country

[Al Hanif]

first of all, i don't give a **** for laws of murder in canada. also, sharia is apparently better than what canada is being run on. what you have posted mentions that if she is a part of it, helps commit a murder or is aware but does not inform the authorities with the purpose of concealing the crime, she is a part of it.
muslim women whose husbands go out to murder people are not consulted on the matter just as they are not when they are traded in for slavery for the crimes of their family members. okay, DUMBASS??

It is an universally accepted fact that if you do nothing against a crime you are an accomplice of this crime.

Don't care what your local Tajik customs are. I'm interested in what Islam says.

[DaZahroJaam.]

the only filthiness is your attitude towards something, not the subject.

yesterday your 'attitude' towards homosexuality in that thread was as usual, very charming and admirable.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Outlaw slavery- problem solved we are no longer in some backwater 7th century country

A rose by any other name.


these days we have a prison system which does use forced labor and such. Same slavery, different name.

[Al Hanif]

Outlaw slavery- problem solved we are no longer in some backwater 7th century country

There are at least a dozen old European converts intellectuals who wrote books in which they explained how Islam abolished slavery but Arabs continued to do it.

Slavery was outlawed by Islam, not directly but it says slavery is a crime except in the case of war prisoners.

The Prophet (pbuh) himself freed hundred of slaves. His companions freed thousands of slaves.

Islam said freeing slaves is a good action and washes away sins in a time when slavery was a cultural norm.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

yesterday your 'attitude' towards homosexuality in that thread was as usual, very charming and admirable.

thank you.

[Dreamer]

A rose by any other name.


these days we have a prison system which does use forced labor and such. Same slavery, different name.

Slaves did not vomit a crime and prisoners are not owned and can not be raped

[Dreamer]

There are at least a dozen old European converts intellectuals who wrote books in which they explained how Islam abolished slavery but Arabs continued to do it.

Slavery was outlawed by Islam, not directly but it says slavery is a crime except in the case of war prisoners.

The Prophet (pbuh) himself freed hundred of slaves. His companions freed thousands of slaves.

Islam said freeing slaves is a good action and washes away sins in a time when slavery was a cultural norm.

His companions also enjoyed relations with them... The religion declares itself complete therefore is slavery is not explicitly stated to b abolished it still stands

[Al Hanif]

His companions also enjoyed relations with them... The religion declares itself complete therefore is slavery is not explicitly stated to b abolished it still stands

It is explicitely abolished. Except in the case of prisoners of war.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Slaves did not vomit a crime and prisoners are not owned and can not be raped

What does being owned really mean though? That you are not master of your own decisions. In this sense prisoners are owned, they cannot avoid work by their own volition, they must work, even against their will. It's just slavery without the word slavery.

Same thing really if you actually think about it logically.