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  • #316
    whatever i have read here so far from day one of this thread, is that Mirza Ghulam claim to be the Mehdi (as)... am i right????

    According to all that i havebeen reading hearing this childhood was the appearance of Dajjal.....who is going to claim to be God and people will follow him.....then to kill this fitna Dajjal, Mehdi (as) will be sent to earth.... so if Mehdi (as) is already here (As Mirza Ghulam claimed) then where is dajjal????? did Dajjal also come and go without the world especially muslims knowing...

    whenever we hear, read abt Mehdi (as), themention of dajjal is a must... could you please throw somelight on this tooo....

    Sorry for intruding here as both of ur discussion is going on... may be onemore point to discuss....

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    • #317
      Originally posted by osho View Post
      To tell you the truth, its not my problem how to recognize them and how not. I am more concerned with the real issues Muslims and Pashtuns are facing like having no democracy, no development, no education, no health and having terrorism, extremism, ignorance, wars, poverty etc. These are my priorities in life not mahdi or messiah. The development of Pashto langauge is my other priority.

      For religious issues like beleifs, worship and morality we have many religious scholars and we dont need any Mahdi, messiah or a new prophet at least these days.

      However if Mahdi and Messiah help me in these issues being leaders of Pashtuns and Muslims then I ll be interested in them. But I know that Mirza Ghulam came and died and did not help us in these issues so I dont bother about him.
      Dearest brother, are the Pashtun the only people on earth? If not, then how is it possible for all to be superior? Is it not about the "survival of the fittest?" Hence, and read carefully, how on earth was Hadhrat Muhammad (saw) able to turn the savages of Arabia into tamed human beings that became the forerunners of societal progress?

      This is what I was trying to establish with you in the other thread.

      That said, if you don't care for the coming of the Mahdi and Messiah, then you have missed out on the point of Islam. No offense intended, dearest member.
      Last edited by MeemWawMeemNoon; 07-28-2010, 02:49 PM.
      Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:

      [61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.

      [61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.

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      • #318
        Originally posted by spogmai shaglay View Post
        whatever i have read here so far from day one of this thread, is that Mirza Ghulam claim to be the Mehdi (as)... am i right????

        According to all that i havebeen reading hearing this childhood was the appearance of Dajjal.....who is going to claim to be God and people will follow him.....then to kill this fitna Dajjal, Mehdi (as) will be sent to earth.... so if Mehdi (as) is already here (As Mirza Ghulam claimed) then where is dajjal????? did Dajjal also come and go without the world especially muslims knowing...

        whenever we hear, read abt Mehdi (as), themention of dajjal is a must... could you please throw somelight on this tooo....

        Sorry for intruding here as both of ur discussion is going on... may be onemore point to discuss....
        Listen to this and it should help you out a lot:

        Urdu:

        YouTube - Dajjal-Anti Christ {Urdu Language}
        YouTube - Ahmadiyya & Non-Ahmadiyya Interpretation of Dajjal

        English:

        YouTube - Did Promised Messiah Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadian Kill Dajjal Anti Chris Part 1/3
        YouTube - Did Promised Messiah Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadian Kill Dajjal Anti Chris Part 2/3
        YouTube - Did Promised Messiah Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadian Kill Dajjal Anti Chris Part 3/3

        YouTube - The Concept of Dajjal - Part 1 (English)
        YouTube - The Concept of Dajjal - Part 2 (English)



        I will try to find more.
        Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:

        [61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.

        [61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.

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        • #319
          Originally posted by MeemWawMeemNoon View Post
          Dearest brother, are the Pashtun the only people on earth? If not, then how is it possible for all to be superior? Is it not about the "survival of the fittest?" Hence, and read carefully, how on earth was Hadhrat Muhammad (saw) able to turn the savages of Arabia into tamed human beings that became the forerunners of societal progress?

          This is what I was trying to establish with you in the other thread.

          That said, if you don't care for the coming of the Mahdi and Messiah, then you have missed out on the point of Islam. No offense intended, dearest member.
          Dearest friend

          Pashtuns are not the only people but I being Pashtun feel my responsability to do some thing for Pashtuns, Pashto and Pashtunwali. Charity begins at home. Fisrt my own home should be in order. I never said that Pashtuns are superior or inferior. They may have some distinguishing feature being a separate ethnic, linguistic and cultural group.

          i duely respect the prophet Muhammad as the final prophet of the religion of Islam, as a great leader and wise person.Thats why i went in such a detail with you in this thread because I love the prophet Muhammad and I am highly impressed from his personality and cant tolerate emotionally an drationally to see some one to claim prophethood after him. World does not need any more prophets after him. He has brought a perfect religion and there is no need we have another prophet. Yes indeed we need reformvers, scholars and leaders but not prophets.

          I have studies about mahdi and Messiah in the main stream Islam which tells me that they will be recognized by the whole world during their life time but this did not happen with Mirza Ghulam and thats why i dont believe in him. Also Mahdi and Messiah will be two different persons not one.Mirza also does not have any other signs of them. even the hadith you quoted about Qadyan are all from very un known books while the others are from well known books.

          However i dont feel any special need and effort to recognize a mahdi or Messiah and not at all once that Mahdi or massiah dies since many decades like Mirza. The wolrd will know them and i ll too. Why I have to recognize him from videos and internet discussions

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          • #320
            Become 1974, yes, dearest sister.
            Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:

            [61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.

            [61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.

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            • #321
              Originally posted by osho View Post
              Dearest friend

              Pashtuns are not the only people but I being Pashtun feel my responsability to do some thing for Pashtuns, Pashto and Pashtunwali. Charity begins at home. Fisrt my own home should be in order. I never said that Pashtuns are superior or inferior. They may have some distinguishing feature being a separate ethnic, linguistic and cultural group.

              i duely respect the prophet Muhammad as the final prophet of the religion of Islam, as a great leader and wise person.Thats why i went in such a detail with you in this thread because I love the prophet Muhammad and I am highly impressed from his personality and cant tolerate emotionally an drationally to see some one to claim prophethood after him. World does not need any more prophets after him. He has brought a perfect religion and there is no need we have another prophet. Yes indeed we need reformvers, scholars and leaders but not prophets.

              I have studies about mahdi and Messiah in the main stream Islam which tells me that they will be recognized by the whole world during their life time but this did not happen with Mirza Ghulam and thats why i dont believe in him. Also Mahdi and Messiah will be two different persons not one.Mirza also does not have any other signs of them. even the hadith you quoted about Qadyan are all from very un known books while the others are from well known books.

              However i dont feel any special need and effort to recognize a mahdi or Messiah and not at all once that Mahdi or massiah dies since many decades like Mirza. The wolrd will know them and i ll too. Why I have to recognize him from videos and internet discussions
              Dear brother, the reason why the mushrikeen of Mecca did not accept the Prophet (saw) was because they did not find the need for it. The reason why many people, today, don't accept Islam, is because they don't find the need for it.

              You, as a Muslim, have to follow the Quran. The Quran mentions that guidance will always be sent from Allah. That guidance will not always come in the form you want it or like it. Therefore, as a God fearing Muslim you have to do your respective unbiased research on whether the claimant is right or wrong. You can't claim that there is no need for one.

              Our times say something totally contradictory to your statement. Our time is dictating the need for a Heavenly organization. No ifs or buts about it.

              As far as Pashtunwali is concerned, you have to understand that it can't precede Islam. It is the other way around.
              Last edited by MeemWawMeemNoon; 07-28-2010, 09:59 PM.
              Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:

              [61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.

              [61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.

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              • #322
                Well, it has many aspects to it. The main is lack of education and "following the leader" type mentality.
                Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:

                [61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.

                [61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.

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                • #323
                  Originally posted by Jasmine
                  After my research of days, I have no problems with Ahmadis. They can follow what they want and I consider them as Muslim just like I consider Ismailis and Shias as Muslim.
                  Islam is fragile as is due to exterior attacks. The last thing we need is to be crippled from within.
                  Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:

                  [61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.

                  [61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.

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                  • #324
                    Word.
                    Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:

                    [61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.

                    [61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.

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                    • #325
                      Originally posted by Jasmine
                      We just have to be kind and nice to the uneducated ones.
                      What do yo mean sister?
                      Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:

                      [61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.

                      [61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.

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                      • #326
                        You know sister, no one was the enemies of Ahmadis more than myself.

                        I have come a long way.

                        They put me to shame with poems like this:

                        YouTube - Naat - Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) - Alaikas Salato Alaikas Salam
                        Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:

                        [61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.

                        [61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.

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                        • #327
                          Achmed the dead terrorist....LOL...:D
                          Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:

                          [61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.

                          [61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.

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                          • #328
                            Originally posted by Jasmine
                            After my research of days, I have no problems with Ahmadis. They can follow what they want and I consider them as Muslim just like I consider Ismailis and Shias as Muslim.
                            Yeh i do not think you even know what islam is. Maybe if you tried researching islam first. It would help you. After all these post you say such an ignorant statement.

                            Ahmadis are not muslims. They are kuffar and worst then cow worshipers. They will never be accepted amongst muslim. And they will always be looked at as our enemies.

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                            • #329
                              actually it does not even matter what people on here think about ahmadis. We know they are enemies of islam. And many people know it. They will deal with them.

                              So whoever accepts them as muslims. I pray that you all will join them in the next life. Behind their false prophet. leading them all to hell. every misguided leader will lead its people to hell.

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                              • #330
                                Inqilab, what have they done against Islam?
                                Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:

                                [61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.

                                [61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.

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