Anti-Ahmadiyyah Thread

[شمله ور خراساني]

Actually, they were there way before the creation of the State of Israel.

Yes. So where the Zionists in Palestine way before the creation of Israel. Zionists flocked in to the area as far back as the 19th century.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Yes. So where the Zionists in Palestine way before the creation of Israel. Zionists flocked in to the area as far back as the 19th century.

Yes, what is your point? It is does not mean anything. However, did you know that the Jews helped the Prophet (saw)?

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Japan is also east of Syria.

Why was Damascus mentioned? Qadian falls exactly east of Damascus.

[شمله ور خراساني]

Yes, what is your point? It is does not mean anything. However, did you know that the Jews helped the Prophet (saw)?

bla bla bla,

qadianis are allies of anyone who opposes Muslims. Be it their creators, the British colonialists or the Jewish state.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

bla bla bla,

qadianis are allies of anyone who opposes Muslims. Be it their creators, the British colonialists or the Jewish state.

I am glad that you are here. You are helping me more than you think. You make claims that hit you right back, and you can't even back up your claims.

sad...

[Badlun]

1-Why should there have been 'many?'
2-He was the Mahdi, Messiah and a Prophet.
3-Not all prophets had books
4-He has, you would have to investigate. Before 9-11 many people were oblivion to Islam.
5-It says east of Syria

1. It means only Mirza Ghulam came the only Prophet in all these 1400 years?
2.Whether he only claimed this troika or this he get any proof from outside that he is the 3 at the same time. I mean any sign, any holy scripture, any mention in any other holy book. I mean this way I can also claim that I am a prophet but this I have to substanitae with any thing impressive enough because because this is a very big claim to be the 3 at the same time. I dont see any such big change after coming of Mirza Ghulam.
3.It means 9/11 is his miracle?
4. East of syria.....for God sake Momin,,,,you know sorry to say but my whole impression of you is going to fade. What a week argument that just to show Mirza to be the Messiah you even use the East of Syria as an argument for India.

To tell you honestly I had a very good impression of you but your arguments to prove Mirza as messiah one way or another does not make any sense.

As a sincere friend I ll advise you to come to the main stream Muslims and reform the Muslims with your knowledge and wisdom and dont waste your energies on proving whether Mirza was messiah or not.
Mirza being Messiah or not wont make any difference. Quran says that the religion of Islam is complete and there is no need of such Messiahs as mirza Ghulam. No doubt he could have been a very good reformer or scholar of Islam if he did not claim to be the Messiah or Mahdi or prophet. This one blunder has destroyed his whole mission.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

1. It means only Mirza Ghulam came the only Prophet in all these 1400 years?
2.Whether he only claimed this troika or this he get any proof from outside that he is the 3 at the same time. I mean any sign, any holy scripture, any mention in any other holy book. I mean this way I can also claim that I am a prophet but this I have to substanitae with any thing impressive enough because because this is a very big claim to be the 3 at the same time. I dont see any such big change after coming of Mirza Ghulam.
3.It means 9/11 is his miracle?
4. East of syria.....for God sake Momin,,,,you know sorry to say but my whole impression of you is going to fade. What a week argument that just to show Mirza to be the Messiah you even use the East of Syria as an argument for India.

To tell you honestly I had a very good impression of you but your arguments to prove Mirza as messiah one way or another does not make any sense.

As a sincere friend I ll advise you to come to the main stream Muslims and reform the Muslims with your knowledge and wisdom and dont waste your energies on proving whether Mirza was messiah or not.
Mirza being Messiah or not wont make any difference. Quran says that the religion of Islam is complete and there is no need of such Messiahs as mirza Ghulam. No doubt he could have been a very good reformer or scholar of Islam if he did not claim to be the Messiah or Mahdi or prophet. This one blunder has destroyed his whole mission.

Dear brother, the questions you are asking, will never convince you. You are not focusing on the crux of the matter: the death of Hadhrat Isa (as).

Dear brother, Ahmadis believe that Islam is the only religion in the sight of Allah. What do you think of this?

[Badlun]

1. If prophet Muhammad is not the last prophet then who is the last prophet or there will be never a last prophet and prophets will shower till the day of Judgement? Was Mirza Ghulam was the last prophet? was he a prophet or only Messiah or Mehdi
2.If hazrat isa is not alive then how only Mirza Ghulam comes as Messiah why not any body else? Why not you Momin why Not I ?
3.The belief is that after Mehdi and Messiah, the day of judgement will come after 40 days and the whole world will become Muslim but we dont see these signs after Mirza Ghulam?

In my above question No 2 I supposed that Hazrat Isa is not alive but you did not reply to me. The death oor no death of Hazrat Isa even is not a fundamental belief for Muslims and should not be the only argument for you to prove Mirza as a Messiah, Mahdi and Prophet. If we believe in the hadith about the resurrection or descent of Hazrat Isa , Mirza does not fulfil a single criterion that he is that Messiah promised to come in India.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

The death of Hadhrat Isa (as) is the key to this whole thing.

Damascus and Qadian fall on the same line, as per the science of cartography.

Also, you never answered this question:

Dear brother, Ahmadis believe that Islam is the only religion in the sight of Allah. What do you think of this?

[Badlun]

The death of Hadhrat Isa (as) is the key to this whole thing.

Damascus and Qadian fall on the same line, as per the science of cartography.

Also, you never answered this question:

Please this Demascus Qadyan in the same line is avery funny argument. From demascus to qadyan there might have been thousands other cities too in the same line.

I said lets believe that hazrat Isa died and is not alive then how it proves that Mirza is the Messiah and no body else.

Which Islam Ahmadis believe to be the only one, Ahmadis islam or islam as a whole? If only Ahmadis;s then that is their belief if of the mainsteam islam then tehre is no place of Mirza Ghulam in this islam.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Quran says that the religion of Islam is complete and there is no need of such Messiahs .

Dear brother, did you not say in another thread that all religions are equal? How would you reconcile that thought of yours with the fact that you are claiming what is needed and what is not?

Perhaps, your eyes, nothing is needed but that is not the stance of Islam. Further, why does it matter if anything is needed or not when at the end of the day religion does not offer anything but morality?

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Please this Demascus Qadyan in the same line is avery funny argument. From demascus to qadyan there might have been thousands other cities too in the same line.

But in that line there has only been one claimant.

I said lets believe that hazrat Isa died and is not alive then how it proves that Mirza is the Messiah and no body else.

No other sect in Islam believes that Hadhrat Isa (as) is dead. They all believe that he is alive and that he will return. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad says that he is dead and that Allah has said that he is the Messiah and Mahdi.

Which Islam Ahmadis believe to be the only one, Ahmadis islam or islam as a whole? If only Ahmadis;s then that is their belief if of the mainsteam islam then tehre is no place of Mirza Ghulam in this islam.

They believe that Quran is the most superior book. Islam is the most superior religion. Hadhrat Muhammad (saw) is the most superior prophet.

[Badlun]

I had never said that all the religions are equal. How Islam believing in monotheism and the finality of the prophethood of Muhammad, and Hinduism, and Christianity and Judaism, and Shintoism and Confuciasm, and Jainism etc can be equal???? All are different with different beliefs, modes of worship.

You have misunderstood me . What I all the time say is that islam is a religion like other religions but is not a complete system. Is equal to other religions in its being a religion but is not a political system etc.

And yes being a religion it is complete as said in Quran. There is no need of any further reformation or Messiah to complete its beliefs, morality and worship. If hazrat Issa comes he will obey muhamamd and will implement what Muhammad brought, the Quran. If we have Quran then no need to have Messiahs like Mirza.

[Badlun]

But in that line there has only been one claimant.



No other sect in Islam believes that Hadhrat Isa (as) is dead. They all believe that he is alive and that he will return. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad says that he is dead and that Allah has said that he is the Messiah and Mahdi.



They believe that Quran is the most superior book. Islam is the most superior religion. Hadhrat Muhammad (saw) is the most superior prophet.

To claim something is one thing and to prove it is another thing.

If no other sect believes that hazrat issa is not dead then what happened to Mirza that he believes in it. If its such a universal belief in islam for 1400 years then how now Mirza says its incorerct.

If Ahmadis believe that Quran is the most superior book. Islam is the most superior religion. Hadhrat Muhammad (saw) is the most superior prophet
then where is the place for Mirza. He can be just a scholar of Islam why he claims to be mahdi, prophet and messiah if we have all these superiors.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

I had never said that all the religions are equal. How Islam believing in monotheism and the finality of the prophethood of Muhammad, and Hinduism, and Christianity and Judaism, and Shintoism and Confuciasm, and Jainism etc can be equal???? All are different with different beliefs, modes of worship.

You have misunderstood me . What I all the time say is that islam is a religion like other religions but is not a complete system. Is equal to other religions in its being a religion but is not a political system etc.

And yes being a religion it is complete as said in Quran. There is no need of any further reformation or Messiah to complete its beliefs, morality and worship. If hazrat Issa comes he will obey muhamamd and will implement what Muhammad brought, the Quran. If we have Quran then no need to have Messiahs like Mirza.

Well, you better go and clarify yourself in the other thread.

Those who agreed with you, are claiming that Hinduism and Judaism and Christianity and Islam are ALL correct and are right religions. They are saying that they are equal in the sense that they are ALL right. No religion is better than another religion.

This is the impression we all had.

We were saying that this is not true and you agreed with the others, that ALL religions are equal in merit and no religion is superior to the other.

If you believe that Islam is the better religion then you have to say it there. Otherwise, you have mislead people about your stance.

I am talking about this thread:

http://www.pashtunforums.com/creative-writing-research-37/islam-just-religion-like-any-other-religion-4218/