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  • #61
    Originally posted by shlombay
    I am not a scholar of Islam.
    Neither am I a scholar. I am a layperson just like you.

    But the problem is, you are being a drama queen here.

    The guy is a blatant kaafir. He denies the understanding of Quran as it is upheld by the Muslims for the past 1400 years.

    He claims to know everything better. But once you confront him, he simly rejects it without any reason because he is qadiani liar.

    You need to grow up and be a man. The wolrd is not a Teletubbies show were you can hop around hugging everyone.

    This guy is a kaafir. And there is no way we are going to accept him as a muslim.

    Who are we to say who is a Muslim and who is not a Muslim when scholars of all schools gathered and agreed that qadianis are kaafir.
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    • #62
      Originally posted by pakistani
      calling somebody a kaffir is wrong. if someone who prays, reads the Quran and believes in Islam he is a Moslem.
      Not according to some people, like Sangar. Even if you pray to Allah, he would declare you a kafir if you don't follow his version of Islam.
      Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:

      [61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.

      [61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by MeemWawMeemNoon View Post
        So, those ahadith that don't fit your belief are wrong, eh? Can you please tell me which collection of ahadith are part of the 6 most authentic?

        As for as 7:35 is concerned, aren't we Bani Adam? The verse is warning us. That is why it is in the future tense. The other verse you are referring to, Hadhrat Isa (as)'s name is not mentioned there.

        Anything else?
        Post the hadith and I will post the sanad for it. If it is authentic then fine.

        And yes we are bani adam. And nowhere does the ayat say that isa alaysalaam is dead.
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        • #64
          Originally posted by pakistani
          calling somebody a kaffir is wrong. if someone who prays, reads the Quran and believes in Islam he is a Moslem.
          he is a qadiani. and qadianis are not muslim.
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          • #65
            Sangar Jana, has it ever occur to you why it is was declared by a vote of 72-1 in 1974? And why they are the only group in Islam that has this title OFFICIALLY?
            Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:

            [61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.

            [61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by MeemWawMeemNoon View Post
              Well, you claim you know better than anyone else. I have never claimed this. That is why anyone who does not follow what you are preaching or accept it you declared them kafir.

              I am just presenting that the Ahmadiyya belief does not contradict the Holy Quran. If you have a problem with this, then it is your problem.
              you are presenting lies. Qadianis are liars. they contradict everything

              We already established that. The evidence was provided in the ahmadi thread where Inqilab posted quotes from the founder of this false religion of qadianism.
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              • #67
                Originally posted by MeemWawMeemNoon View Post
                Sangar Jana, has it ever occur to you why it is was declared by a vote of 72-1 in 1974? And why they are the only group in Islam that has this title OFFICIALLY?
                It unimportant when it happened. Because the evidence to prove qadianis are kuffaar are evident.

                Why they are officially kuffaar, is because you qafianis claim to have a new prophet. This is why.
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                • #68
                  i am off now. I've wasted too much time on this qadiani kaafir.

                  Shlombay, you go ahead and be brothers with the kaafir. Don't ever bother me again about this.
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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Sangar View Post
                    You are a hypocrite. Post the hadith and I will post the sanad for it. If it is authentic then fine.
                    How does it make me a hypocrite? Learn how to talk, brother. Why is it that the sanad matters? It is a hadith in Ibn Majah. Is not Ibn Majah part of the 6 most authentic collection?

                    Originally posted by Sangar View Post

                    And yes we are bani adam. And nowhere does the ayat say that isa alaysalaam is dead you lying qaadiani.
                    7:35 does not mention Hadhrat Isa (as) but it does mention that the door for prophethood is open.
                    Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:

                    [61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.

                    [61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.

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                    • #70
                      Sangar stop the name calling, you are not a child. Learn how to talk.
                      Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:

                      [61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.

                      [61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Sangar View Post
                        you are presenting lies. Qadianis are liars. they contradict everything

                        We already established that. The evidence was provided in the ahmadi thread where Inqilab posted quotes from the founder of this false religion of qadianism.
                        Nothing was provided. It was propaganda.
                        Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:

                        [61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.

                        [61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Sangar View Post
                          It unimportant when it happened. Because the evidence to prove qadianis are kuffaar are evident.

                          Why they are officially kuffaar, is because you qafianis claim to have a new prophet. This is why.

                          Why 72-1?
                          Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:

                          [61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.

                          [61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.

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                          • #73
                            kaafir is not name calling. And qadiani is your religion. Again no name calling. And hypocricy is your practice. and again, neither is that name calling.

                            And you lied. Over and over again.

                            Stop being a drama queen.
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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Sangar View Post
                              i am off now. I've wasted too much time on this qadiani kaafir.
                              You can go, however, understand that you have not been able to show anything. Just your own idea of who is and who is not a Muslim.
                              Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:

                              [61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.

                              [61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Sangar View Post
                                kaafir is not name calling. And qadiani is your religion. Again no name calling. And hypocricy is your practice. and again, neither is that name calling.

                                And you lied. Over and over again.

                                Stop being a drama queen.
                                You accuse me of lying, which is easy, but you have never shown how I have lied. Have fear of Allah, brother.
                                Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:

                                [61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.

                                [61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.

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