Who is a kafir--where do we draw the line?

[شمله ور خراساني]

I think you missed the whole point of that exercise. It was to give you a taste of your own interpretation of Islam. Unfortunately, you were unable to grasp the reason behind what I was trying to do.

As per your own interpretation of Islam, you should be killed and not be a Muslim today. I was simply trying to show you how absurd your interpretation of Islam is. Please note, Sangar Jana,that the apostasy laws did not apply to you, but anyone else in your shoes it would have applied to.

What I was trying to do was to show you that technically speaking you are a murtad, because you should have been killed, as per your own interpretation of Islam. Humorously, you managed to find a non-existent clause to get out of the apostasy ruling.

you failed miserably.

Because if a person is ignorant, and does not believe is not blameworthy. Which was the case with me back 5 years ago.

But one who openly declares his Kufr, like MazloomyarMaseed did, then thats clear apostasy. And in an Islamic country, where shariah is applied he would be killed for apostating and then speaking evil of Islam.

You cant apply this rule to me. Because my case was an exception. And I explained that clearly.

But as a frustrated Qadiani priester that you are, you felt like getting even with me because I exposed your lies and how you lied against the prophet muhammad saww.

Don't act all holy and pious now. Nobody is bying it. You are a qadiani period.

[شمله ور خراساني]

This is your biggest problem. Muhammad used to get attacked by Kuffar and he still loved them, consider them brothers and checked up on them.

Your thread title was already wrong to begin with. How would you feel if I make a thread saying "Confronting the murtad sangar who should die cause he was agnostic".

We are Muslims, we are brothers, we are Afghans.

I'm neither a murtad nor a kaafri.

But MWMN is a qadiani. He said so himself.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

you failed miserably.

Because if a person is ignorant, and does not believe is not blameworthy. Which was the case with me back 5 years ago.

But one who openly declares his Kufr, like MazloomyarMaseed did, then thats clear apostasy. And in an Islamic country, where shariah is applied he would be killed for apostating and then speaking evil of Islam.

You cant apply this rule to me. Because my case was an exception. And I explained that clearly.

But as a frustrated Qadiani priester that you are, you felt like getting even with me because I exposed your lies and how you lied against the prophet muhammad saww.

Don't act all holy and pious now. Nobody is bying it. You are a qadiani period.

Good at least you admit it, again.

Now where does it say that "if a person is ignorant, and does not believe is not blameworthy." Sources please from Quran and ahadith.

See how you nothing applies to you,but applies to everyone else.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

But one who openly declares his Kufr, like MazloomyarMaseed did, then thats clear apostasy. And in an Islamic country, where shariah is applied he would be killed for apostating and then speaking evil of Islam.
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This is so wrong.

[شمله ور خراساني]

Sangar Jana

Who is a Muslim in your eyes? You have mocked everyone here who does not conform to you beliefs?

Sangar, is sunnipath.com Muslim?,

sunnipath. sure they are muslims. But deviants unfortunately.

Who I consider as Muslim? Tough question. I dont know that.

But I do not that Qadianis and Ismailis are not Muslims.

Aside from that, we as Muslims are supposed to assume that anyone else who claims to be a Muslim is a Muslim. Unless they explicitly say otherwise.

For example, saying that Richard dawkins is more convincing than quran is clearly kufr. And the person who says so is a kaafir. And a Qadiani is also a kaafir. It is established by the summit of all Muslim scholars back in the 70's.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Shlombay Jana, you are right. This is how we are being controlled by the West and the Jews.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

sunnipath. sure they are muslims. But deviants unfortunately.

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SHould I follow anything sunnipath says?

[شمله ور خراساني]

Sangar what is wrong with you bro? you are repeating yourself back and forth without offering any debates?

quote his posts and offer an argument wrora. How would you feel if he calls you a Non-Muslim Salafi extremist?

This is why Jews run us Sangar because here on Pashtun Forums we are already accusing one another because people dont meet your version of Islam.

he cant. Because I am a Muslim. I do not claim that Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiani who died suffering from diarreah is a prophet. He does. So he is the kaafir not me.

[شمله ور خراساني]

SHould I follow anything sunnipath says?

No. Not everything. You should also look at other scholars who are Muslims. Not Qadianis

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

No. Not everything. You should also look at other scholars who are Muslims.

Is this what you do with your scholars and your sources?

For me sunnipath is a great source of information.

[شمله ور خراساني]

Good at least you admit it, again.

Now where does it say that "if a person is ignorant, and does not believe is not blameworthy." Sources please from Quran and ahadith.

See how you nothing applies to you,but applies to everyone else.

read sharh arbayeen an nawawi. Hadith 2.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

read sharh arbayeen an nawawi. Hadith 2.

Post it.

[شمله ور خراساني]

Why are you calling one another a kaafir for? am I the only who find that absurd?

show me 1 post where he said he is a Qadiani. Even if he did say so, try to debate and not accuse. or does defending a sect mean you are part of them? since Qrratugai defended Ismailis is she a Ismaili? if I defend you(which I always do) does that mean I am part of Sangarism?

MWMN said in the ahmadi non-Muslim pakistan thread that he is a qadiani. Go read it for yourself. Better, yet ask him here. Im sure he is not shy to admit his beliefs.

And about qrratugai, why would a muslim defend kuffaar? When scholars of Islam have affirmed that Ismailis are kuffaar why would we assume that qrratugai knows better?

I mean she is the same person who said that richard dawkins is more convincing than quran. Come on.

[شمله ور خراساني]

Post it.

i dont have it online.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Sangar, if I pray five times a day, fast, buy halal meat from halal shops, face mecca when I pray, I have a Muslim name, I pay zakat...I am a kafir?

Tell me brother.