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  • #136
    Originally posted by inqilab View Post
    That is my experience. That they are kuffar. Period.
    Are you sure it is your experience or some copy and paste? If it truly is your own experience then the bear witness by taking Allah's name and saying may the curse of Allah be upon the liar.

    You are misleading people.

    I will tell you why I am requesting you to bear testimony:

    Originally posted by inqilab View Post
    They believe in a book called kitab al mubeen which is different then our Quran.
    This is 100% false. They believe in the Quran 100%. They do not have another book. If they do, as you claim so, then you must bring this book forward.

    Originally posted by inqilab View Post
    They think an indian town qadian is a holy place.
    What is wrong with considering Qadian holy? They don't consider Qadian holier than Mecca or Medina or Jerusalem. That said, do you think the Jews or the Christian consider Mecca or Medina holy?

    Originally posted by inqilab View Post
    Their women are dirty who have no shame. They sleep around with non-mahram men.
    If this is true and you are not making it up, and of course, you will bear witness that may the curse of Allah be upon the liar, then we find good and bad people everywhere.

    In general though, their women are veiled. Not only do they wear the hijab, they also wear the burqah/abaya and even niqaab.


    Originally posted by inqilab View Post

    The have a bunch of shops here where they try to scam people out of money.
    Again, if this is true, then according to this logic of yours 90% of Afghanistan, Pakistan, the WHOLE Muslim world would also be kafir.

    Originally posted by inqilab View Post
    They allow drugs and alcohol. Some of them were caught smuggling and selling drugs and were sentenced to death.
    If they 'allow' this and you have been a witness that they then it should not be hard to provide evidence. We are in an internet age where every such news is easily found. Please back up this with solid facts. Please don't mislead people.

    Originally posted by inqilab View Post

    Other were caned after being caught in scams in lottery.
    I am pretty sure that you will not have any problems showing proof for this either.

    Originally posted by inqilab View Post
    That is my experience. They are a filthy group of people. What else? That is their religion.
    If you are telling the truth that this is your experience then all I can say is that you can find good and bad people everywhere. However, if you are making this up and you have not experienced this and are bearing false testimony then I pray that may Allah's curse and wrath be upon you.
    Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:

    [61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.

    [61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.

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    • #137
      ahmedies are non muslim.... they dont believe in finality of prophethood... simple... they follow some indian dude who was high on drugs half the time and died on a toilet from a GI disease
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      • #138
        Originally posted by Dreamer View Post
        ahmedies are non muslim.... they dont believe in finality of prophethood... simple...
        The Messiah will be a prophet, no?

        Originally posted by Dreamer View Post
        they follow some indian dude who was high on drugs half the time and died on a toilet from a GI disease
        Were you a witness? If not, then I suggest you don't spread things you are not sure of. Don't be the messenger of liars.

        Unless you are an eye-witness, then it is a different story. I would love to discuss it with you.
        Last edited by MeemWawMeemNoon; 07-20-2010, 11:16 AM.
        Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:

        [61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.

        [61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.

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        • #139
          your the one spreading lies dude.... he died on a toilet the death of a lier and a shameful one at that... dont dare to compare your mizra whatever he was krishna?vishnu? mehdi? prophet? messiah? I mean could he even make up his mind? lol to an actual Prophet Of God i.e Christ.... he was a horny old goat who wanted to marry his cousin but where as she clung to orthodoxy he doomed himself to hellfire
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          • #140
            from one of his devotees
            "Hazrat Maseeh Mawood (promised Maseeh Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani ) made a medicine Tiryaq-e-Ilahi by instructions from God and its main constituent was opium; and this medicine, after some increase in opium content was given to HazratKhalifa (First Khalifa- Hakeem Nooruddin)by Hzrat (Mirza Qadiani) for more than six months and himself used it off and on during attacks of disease."

            [Article by Mian Mahmood Ahmad Khalifa Qadian in Akber Al Fazal, Qadian, Vol 17 no 6, 19 July 1929]
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            • #141
              Originally posted by Dreamer View Post
              your the one spreading lies dude.... he died on a toilet the death of a lier and a shameful one at that... dont dare to compare your mizra whatever he was krishna?vishnu? mehdi? prophet? messiah? I mean could he even make up his mind? lol to an actual Prophet Of God i.e Christ.... he was a horny old goat who wanted to marry his cousin but where as she clung to orthodoxy he doomed himself to hellfire


              I will seize to say anything if you bear witness:

              If you are the one who is not spreading lies then pray this:

              "I bear witness that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad died in the manner which I am describing, if I am lying then may the curse and wrath of Allah be upon me."

              Say the above and I will stop saying anything to you. Otherwise, have some shame, and stop spreading things you are not sure of.
              Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:

              [61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.

              [61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.

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              • #142
                I mean he was one confused man... didnt he claim to be a woman? I mean I believe he was comparing himself to the blessed Virgin Mary (May Allah be pleased with her).... sick man who is burning in hell
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                • #143
                  Originally posted by MeemWawMeemNoon View Post
                  I will seize to say anything if you bear witness:

                  If you are the one who is not spreading lies then pray this:

                  "I bear witness that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad died in the manner which I am describing, if I am lying then may the curse and wrath of Allah be upon me."

                  Say the above and I will stop saying anything to you.
                  I testify he was a lier who is burning in hell.... may God curse him and his followers
                  Last edited by Dreamer; 07-20-2010, 11:43 AM.
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                  • #144
                    why didnt he marry his cousin???? answer me for didnt he state God gave her 2 him and that if she didnt she would be cursed? lol she lived a rich life with many children as did her husband.... loooool
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                    • #145
                      PS change your name to Kaffir
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                      • #146
                        hahahah I mean he is soooo wrong on sooo many points.... fact is pashtuns are an iranic people but that idiot said we were semetic... loooool was he high on narcotics? may his soul suffer eternal torment
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                        • #147
                          and ahmedies have the cheek to declare us orthodox muslims as non muslims simply because we refuse to follow a messed up individual from Qadian...News flash ahmedis are the non muslims.... while you may practise your religion as you deem fit please stop tagging on our coat tails.... At least the bahai have the decency to declare themselves distinct from islam
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                          • #148
                            Originally posted by Dreamer View Post
                            from one of his devotees
                            "Hazrat Maseeh Mawood (promised Maseeh Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani ) made a medicine Tiryaq-e-Ilahi by instructions from God and its main constituent was opium; and this medicine, after some increase in opium content was given to HazratKhalifa (First Khalifa- Hakeem Nooruddin)by Hzrat (Mirza Qadiani) for more than six months and himself used it off and on during attacks of disease."

                            [Article by Mian Mahmood Ahmad Khalifa Qadian in Akber Al Fazal, Qadian, Vol 17 no 6, 19 July 1929]
                            Are you serious? It was for medicinal purposes. Are you sure that you are a doctor?
                            Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:

                            [61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.

                            [61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.

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                            • #149
                              hahahahahhahahahahahahhahaha he was a crack head!
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                              • #150
                                dude Im done talking 2 a pseudo muslim.... go preach your garbage elsewhere....
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