Who is a kafir--where do we draw the line?

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

I testify he was a lier who is burning in hell.... may God curse him and his followers

Testify this:

"I bear witness that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad died in the manner which I am describing, if I am lying then may the curse and wrath of Allah be upon me."

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

why didnt he marry his cousin???? answer me for didnt he state God gave her 2 him and that if she didnt she would be cursed? lol she lived a rich life with many children as did her husband.... loooool

Are you talking about Muhammadi Begum?

[Dreamer]

the prophecy of the opium taking confused individual :


"That Absolute Omnipotent has told me:
Start negotiations for the elder daughter (Muhammadi Begum) of that person (Ahmad Baig). In case of declination from Nikah, the end of that girl will be extremely bad and if she will be married to another person he, within two and a half years from and similarly father of that daughter within three years, will die."

"Then in those days, attention was applied again and again for further clarification and details. It came to be known that God Almighty determined that He will bring the elder daughter (Muhammadi Begum) of that person (i.e. Ahmad Baig) into Nikah of this humble self after removal of each hindrance".

"Be it clear to the evil-minded that in order to judge our truthfulness or falsehood there can be no greater touchstone of test than our predictions". (Majmua'i-e-Ishtharat Vol. I, pp. 157-159).


On April 7, 1892, Ahmad Baig married his daughter, Muhammadi Begum, to one of his relatives namely Sultan Muhammad, resident of village Patti District Lahore.

Now, in accordance with Mirza's divine revelation:

Muhammadi Begum ought to have been widowed by Oct. 6, 1894, but Allah, the Exalted, kept her safe from Mirza's evil eye and the couple lived happily together for no less than 57 years (i.e. 16 years in the lifetime of Mirza and 41 years after his death). From 1949 till 1966, Muhammadi Begum lived as a widow. In this way, she escaped the clutches of Mirza's 'divine revelation', 41 years earlier.
Sultan Muhammad should have died six months earlier than his father-in-law but by Allah's grace he lived for 57 years after him.
Ahmad Baig should have died after the death of his son-in-law and ought to have witnessed his daughter's widowhood and destitution but he departed earlier from the world, leaving his daughter and son-in-law happy in their life.
Each and every hindrance for Nikah between Mirza and the lady was destined to be removed by God, as per Mirza's 'repeated attentions to the Absolute Omnipotent' for bringing her into Nikah of that 'humble self. Yet sorry! The Absolute Omnipotent did not help Mirza one bit, although he pursued the matter relentlessly. Poor Mirza failed miserably. The 'angel of death' wielded 'sword' over Mirza and he expired on May 26, 1908. Alas! he departed, burying pangs of love in his heart into his grave, coupled with heart-burning of jilt.
According to Mirza's own words those who do not put his predictions on the touchstone of test for falsehood are 'the evil-minded'.

[eyeliner]

how come you lot are talking about ahmadism?

[Dreamer]

we have an pseudo muslim here who is attempting to lure us away from the true orthodox path onto the path of deviancy... May Allah protect the muslim ummah from the lies of the followers of Mizra Gulham ahmed

[Dreamer]

we have 124 000 prophets..... Mizra ahmed was not 1 of them!

[Dreamer]

When Sultan Muhammad, Mirza's rival for Muhammadi Begum's hand, did not die within the period fixed by Mirza, he extended the duration of Sultan's life:

"Well, if not in two and a half years, certainly in my lifetime he will die. I declare that his living or not living is the test of my truthfulness or otherwise".
He wrote in Persian:

"But I have not told you that this matter has come to a close at this state and that the end result is what has appeared or that the fact of prediction has finished at that. The real premise stands on its own. Nobody, by any of his tricks, can evade it. This is fated from Great Allah as inevitable destiny (i.e. the predicted death of Sultan Muhammad whereby Mirza could consummate his longing for Sultan's wife) and shortly the time of its occurrence will come. I swear by that Allah Who raised Hazrat Muhammad Mustafa(SAW) for us to make him His best creation that this prediction is true and will soon be visible. I make it a proposition for testing my truthfulness or my falsehood. And I have not said it on my own but that my Provider Himself has informed me of it". (Anjam-e-Atham, P. 223)
Mirza declared Sultan Muhammad's imminent death as a proposition to test his truthfulness or falsehood, i.e., if Sultan Muhammad died in Mirza's lifetime then Mirza was true otherwise he was a liar.

What a pity that Mirza was a liar because he died in 1908 and Sultan Muhammad died in 1949.

[Dreamer]

could that lier make his mind up???? evidently not! maybe he was on a high....

[eyeliner]

Mirza ahmad was a disturbed individual who wa probably abused when he was a kid, to turn around and claim prophethood. Tobah, there will be no peophet after Muhammad SAW.

[Dreamer]

he abused the True prophets of God, he abused the Blessed Virgin- A lady who Allah has exalted above all women

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

When Sultan Muhammad, Mirza's rival for Muhammadi Begum's hand, did not die within the period fixed by Mirza, he extended the duration of Sultan's life:

"Well, if not in two and a half years, certainly in my lifetime he will die. I declare that his living or not living is the test of my truthfulness or otherwise".
He wrote in Persian:

"But I have not told you that this matter has come to a close at this state and that the end result is what has appeared or that the fact of prediction has finished at that. The real premise stands on its own. Nobody, by any of his tricks, can evade it. This is fated from Great Allah as inevitable destiny (i.e. the predicted death of Sultan Muhammad whereby Mirza could consummate his longing for Sultan's wife) and shortly the time of its occurrence will come. I swear by that Allah Who raised Hazrat Muhammad Mustafa(SAW) for us to make him His best creation that this prediction is true and will soon be visible. I make it a proposition for testing my truthfulness or my falsehood. And I have not said it on my own but that my Provider Himself has informed me of it". (Anjam-e-Atham, P. 223)
Mirza declared Sultan Muhammad's imminent death as a proposition to test his truthfulness or falsehood, i.e., if Sultan Muhammad died in Mirza's lifetime then Mirza was true otherwise he was a liar.

What a pity that Mirza was a liar because he died in 1908 and Sultan Muhammad died in 1949.

This is the actual deal with respect to Muhammadi Begum:

YouTube - Mohammadi Begum

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

how come you lot are talking about ahmadism?

If someone has claimed to be the Messiah, it is our responsible to find out. I am very much inclined towards Ahmadiyyat.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

I testify he was a lier who is burning in hell.... may God curse him and his followers

Dreamer, why are you hesitant?

Testify this:

"I bear witness that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad died in the manner which I am describing, if I am lying then may the curse and wrath of Allah be upon me."

[Dreamer]

he died on a toilet .... try answering his claims on his cousin if you are so adamanet 2 preserve his fake claims 2 prophethood...... I dont have anything 2 proove to a non muslim such as yourself....

[Dreamer]

ps please dont speak to me unless I myself speak 2 u... I dnt like speaking 2 people such as yourself.... you disgust me