Why are Ahmadis considered non-Muslims in Pakistan

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Meem,

can we further develop the concept of Messiah. I am interested.

Just keep tuned in, I will cover the whole concept here. Insha Allah.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

So if I understand this right, Ahmadis think Jesus will never come? He is dead and gone?

Exactly, dearest sister.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

When God said: "Jesus, I will take you back and raise you up to Me, and purify you of those who are unbelievers. And I will place the people who follow you above those who are unbelievers until the Day of Resurrection. Then you will all return to Me, and I will judge between you regarding the things about which you differed. (Surah Al 'Imran, 3:55)

“And (Jesus) shall be a Sign (for the coming of) the Hour (of Judgment): therefore have no doubt about the (Hour), but follow ye Me: this is a Straight Way.”[Qur'an 43:61]

What about the above wror gula?

The first set of verses, if you look at the Arabic, they clearly talk about how Allah will first cause him to die then raise him. What Muslims are presenting is a contradiction. They say that he is risen up and then he will die when he comes back.

The second verse, it is talking about the "Hour." the Hour is not necessarily limited to the Latter Days or end of times. In this case, it might be referring to how the Hour came the Torah. In other words, the only person to be followed today is Hadhrat Muhammad (saw). Hadhrat Isa (as) was a sign of the end of the Mosaic dispensation. Thereafter, there is not path but Islam.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Actually, no, the Quran cannot contradict itself.

The problem is that our set of beliefs make it such that we have a contradictory belief when it comes to the Holy Quran. The Ahmadis actuallym have interpreted the Quran in such a way that their belief system does not have any contradictions. That is why I am so inclined towards Ahmadiyyat.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

My beloved brother,

it is a problem that has been started with misinterpretation.

Two lines is not possible to convince someone, however, two lines is sufficient if you look at one verse of the Holy Quran.

As you can see, I am trying my best to explain this matter to everyone. So, just bear with me. If you ask me a specific question then I would be able to answer you much more quicker.

But to give you a short answer to your statement:

Why do you think people have a hard time accepting Islam? Why do you think we have to explain it to them in order to convince them?

3 Billion+ Christians believe confidently that Hadhrat Isa (as) is god and that he will return to earth. Millions of Jews are still awaiting the first coming of the Messiah. They believe he has not yet arrived and that he is due soon.

In order to convince people that Jesus (as) was not God and that he actually was the Messiah takes a lot of explaining to do.

The fastest and shortest route is to pray to Allah.

[Master Khan]

come on how can you consider someone who believe that some indian guy that died while having a crap as a Messiah.

[Gaia]

come on how can you consider someone who believe that some indian guy that died while having a crap as a Messiah.

hahahahahah I always laugh at that one! Hell!

GREAT!

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

come on how can you consider someone who believe that some indian guy that died while having a crap as a Messiah.

But he did not die in this way.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

So how did he die?

What does death have to do with this anyway?

Exactly, what does death have to do with this? This is what those with a low intellectual level resort to.

If death has a big a part to play, then I want to ask people to describe the last stages of the life of our Prophet (saw), if you dare.


Mirza Ghulam Ahmad died on his bed.

[Master Khan]

But he did not die in this way.

yes he did, he died in pool of his own crap and still ahmadis believe that he was the second coming of Jesus and that he was a Messiah...you call these people muslims.
Mohammad(PBUH) was the last prophet and messager of Allah and after him there are no Messiahs or prophets.
who ever believe that there are prophets or Messiahs after Mohammad(PBUH) are not muslim to me.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

yes he did, he died in pool of his own crap

Were you there? If not, then you are spreading disorder, something which the Quran strictly forbids.

If you believe this to be true then bear witness with Allah's name and say that may the curse of Allah be on the liar. Do it. It is very simple. No ifs or buts, because obviously, one cannot reason with you.

Bear witness with Allah's name and say that may Allah's curse be on the liar.

after him there are no Messiahs or prophets.

Are you sure? Hadhrat Isa (as) will be a Messiah and a Prophet.

[Master Khan]

Were you there? If not, then you are spreading disorder, something which the Quran strictly forbids.

If you believe this to be true then bear witness with Allah's name and say that may the curse of Allah be on the liar. Do it. It is very simple. No ifs or buts, because obviously, one cannot reason with you.

Bear witness with Allah's name and say that may Allah's curse be on the liar.



Are you sure? Hadhrat Isa (as) will be a Messiah and a Prophet.

While he was in Lahore at the home of Dr. Syed Muhammad Hussain (who was also his physician), Mirza Ghulam Ahmad fell ill from dysentery and excessive weakness. He died in Lahore on 26 May 1908. His body was subsequently taken to Qadian and buried there.

Even The imans said this so yes I bear witness with Allah's name and say that may the curse of Allah be on the liar!.
Because Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is not a messiah or a prophet.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

My biggest confusion is how are we so confident that he is the Messiah.

cant I claim I am the messiah right now?

Thanks!

Anyone can claim anything.

Today, the majority of the world does not believe that Allah exists.
Today, the majority of the world believes that Hadhrat Isa (as) is God.
Today, we have a HUGE population that still worship to idols.
Today, only 20% of the world believes that Hadhrat Muhammad (saw) is a prophet.
Today, of those who believe that Muhammad (saw) is a prophet only a small number of them worship Allah the way he (saw) did. The rest have no clue why they follow Hadhrat Muhammad (saw).

Would like me to go on?

One must beg to question what is the purpose of life? If one cares then it is a simple task.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

While he was in Lahore at the home of Dr. Syed Muhammad Hussain (who was also his physician), Mirza Ghulam Ahmad fell ill from dysentery and excessive weakness. He died in Lahore on 26 May 1908. His body was subsequently taken to Qadian and buried there.

Exactly, he did not die the way you say it.

Even The imans said this so yes I bear witness with Allah's name and say that may the curse of Allah be on the liar!.

I asked you to bear witness that you know for a fact the way in which you described he died--the falsehood you are spreading.

But I see how you changed your stance, and actually posted how he really died.

[شمله ور خراساني]

momin, read the seerah al mahdi written about how mirza ghulam ahmed died. The book is written by his family. There it says he died defecating all over his bed room.