Why are Ahmadis considered non-Muslims in Pakistan

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

momin, read the seerah al mahdi written about how mirza ghulam ahmed died. The book is written by his family. There it says he died defecating all over his bed room.

No, it does not.

Leave his death aside and show that Hadhrat Isa (as) is still alive. This is the fastest and shortest route to "exposing" me. If I am wrong, I will walk away in shame. If not, then you will know what I know and then perhaps you will stop attacking me--what you have been doing ever since I joined this forum.

[شمله ور خراساني]

No, it does not.

Leave his death aside and show that Hadhrat Isa (as) is still alive. This is the fastest and shortest route to "exposing" me. If I am wrong, I will walk away in shame. If not, then you will know what I know and then perhaps you will stop attacking me--what you have been doing ever since I joined this forum.

Did you walk away in shame when you exposed yourself lying when you were atributing a fabricated hadith to the prophet muhammad saww?

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

I never lied. You don't accept the hadith I do. I did not make the hadith up.

[شمله ور خراساني]

I never lied. You don't accept the hadith I do. I did not make the hadith up.

the hadith is not reported in any of the 6 books. Neither is there a sound chain of narration.

So you accept it based on what sources? Your own desires.

Know that fabricating a hadith is basically lying against allah and his messenger. Which will be enough for a person to burn in hell eternally

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

the hadith is not reported in any of the 6 books. Neither is there a sound chain of narration.

So you accept it based on what sources? Your own desires.

Know that fabricating a hadith is basically lying against allah and his messenger. Which will be enough for a person to burn in hell eternally

Ahadith are not only limited to the 6 books of ahadith. These 6 books are just considered most authentic. However, we have many ahadith that are found in many other books that are authentic.

Loving your homeland does not contradict the Quran; therefore, I know that Allah will not punish me. If you wish not to love your homeland, then it is your right and your choice, dear Sangar.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

This is a complex question. The short answer: no. The long answer: yes.

[Master Khan]

While he was in Lahore at the home of Dr. Syed Muhammad Hussain (who was also his physician), Mirza Ghulam Ahmad fell ill from dysentery and excessive weakness. He died in Lahore on 26 May 1908. His body was subsequently taken to Qadian and buried there.

Even The imans said this so yes I bear witness with Allah's name and say that may the curse of Allah be on the liar!.
Because Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is not a messiah or a prophet.

dysentery -
Dysentery (formerly known as flux or the bloody flux) is an inflammatory disorder of the intestine, especially of the colon, that results in severe diarrhea containing mucus and/or blood in the feces with fever and abdominal pain. If left untreated, dysentery can be fatal.

Exactly, he did not die the way you say it.
I asked you to bear witness that you know for a fact the way in which you described he died--the falsehood you are spreading.
But I see how you changed your stance, and actually posted how he really died.

he died from Diarrhea wrora...are you are ahmadi?

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Do I have to be an Ahmadi to know what they believe and what their community stands for?

We die of many things, his illness caused him weakness. He died on his bed. Have you ever researched how Hadhrat Muhammad (saw) died?

Death has nothing to do with someone status, we all die. Allah has not given us a litmus test to show us what types of deaths are accursed and what types of deaths are not.

His enemies made up the story that he died in the washroom. If you are going to spread this false information, then I suggest you take an oath with Allah's name and say:

I bear witness that he died in the washroom and may the curse of Allah be upon me if I am making this up.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

My beloved and respected sister,

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was also of the belief that Hadhrat Isa (as) was in the Heaven and would return.

He was a man who had dedicated his life for the purpose of Islam and he was in the forefront of defending Islam against all attacks.

He first declared that he was the mujaddid (reformer) for the 14th Century of Islam. According to the hadith in Sunan Abu Daud, Allah will raise a reformer the head of every century.

Thereafter, the declared that he was the Mahdi for the age.

It was when Allah told him and showed him via the Holy Quran that Hadhrat Isa (as) was given a natural death long ago and that he, i.e. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, was the Messiah, that he declared to be the Messiah.

So, Ahmadis believe do believe in the coming of a messiah, however, according to their beliefs Hadhrat Isa (as) has passed away and they have proven this via the Quran. As such, they believe that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is the Messiah because Hadhrat Isa (as) has passed away and will not return.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Hadhrat Isa (as) being passed away gives a lot of credibility to Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, because he was already known to be a great defender of Islam.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

I hope you understand Urdu, list to what they say about his hard work to defend Islam:

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

I can't understand Urdu properly.

Dr. Israr Ahmad, the one in the white beard, said that in the times of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad it was said that if you wanted to see the living Islam that you should go to Qadian, India, the place of residence of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. He also said that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad defeated Christian missionaries.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

2 questions,

1)Is jesus coming yes or no.

2)How could Allah send him as a Messiah if he can't even decide if he was either a reformer or Messiah? Shouldn't Allah have told him this already

1. From my research, Hadhrat Isa (as), Ibn Mariam, of Nazareth, Palestine, will not return. He is passed away.
2. Well, it is not a matter of whether he can decide or not. If we look into the mission of Hadhrat Muhammad (saw), he was not made the prophet for all of mankind at the beginning, it happened over time. Further, according to a hadith in Ibn Majah, the Messiah and the Mahdi would be the one and the same person.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Insha Allah. I actually provided some of that on this thread.

[Palwasha]

so from what I get in my thread here they are forced by Pak govt to be non muslims? Does any country consider them Muslim?

Well actually in other Muslim countrues the Muslim councils have announced them as non-Muslims, since they are said to have deviated too far from Islam. It's not just Pakistan.