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  • I do not even think. This is even about ahmadis being muslim anymore. This is becoming whether Allahs Messenger [s] was the final nabi and rasul. Seems like people deny this. Since they are defending qadianis.

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    • Prophet jesus [s] will not come back as a prophet. He will be following Allahs Messenger [s]. And he will be praying behind the muslim commander.

      This is in sahih al-muslim 'kitab al-iman'

      Jabir ibn 'Abdullah reported: I heard the Allahs Messenger [s] say: A section of my people will not cease fighting for the Truth and will prevail till the Day of Resurrection. He said: Jesus son of Mary would then descend and their (Muslims') commander would invite him to come and lead them in prayer, but he would say: No, some amongst you are commanders over some (amongst you). This is the honour from Allah for this Ummah.

      The ignorance in some people is just amazing.

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      • Originally posted by Timbaktu
        MWMN

        We undrestand the meaning of "seal" by sahih adhadith which state that prophethood has ended with Muhammad (swt).

        The case with Issa (as) is that he will not be a new prophet since he was already born and made a prophet before Muhammad (swt). Its not as if Issa (as) will be born in the future and come as a new prophet. Issa (as) has not died yet so ofcourse he has to comeback to die on earth.

        "Everyone is going to taste death, and We shall make a trial of you with evil and good, and to Us you will be returned." (21:35)
        You are presenting another problem. Your idea makes Hadhrat Isa (as) the last the prophet.
        Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:

        [61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.

        [61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.

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        • Originally posted by Mujib View Post
          It does not mention that he will be a prophet or messenger.
          The hadith in Sahih Muslim clearly says "نبي الله عيسى و أصحابه"

          Therefore, he will be a prophet and he will have companions. His companions will have the ranks of the companions of Hadhrat Muhammad (saw) as per the verses in Surah Jumu'ah.

          Originally posted by Mujib View Post
          1. "Muhammad is not the father of any man among you, but he is the messenger of Allah and the Seal of the Prophets; and Allah is ever Aware of all things" (33:40).
          Exactly. Hadhrat Muhammad (saw) is the "seal" of the prophets. His Law is final. The Ahmadis don't claim to have brought another religion. They claim to be following the Law of Hadhrat Muhammad (saw).

          Originally posted by Mujib View Post

          2. No one will come with the role of prophethood. Sayyidina `Isa (as) will not return as a prophet, with the role of prophethood. He will return as a Muslim in the Umma of our Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace).
          Where does it say this?

          Originally posted by Mujib View Post

          3. He was sent as a messenger to the Children of Israel. He will return as a Muslim leader in the Umma of Islam.
          Where does it say this?
          Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:

          [61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.

          [61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.

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          • Originally posted by Jasmine
            MWMN,

            Where did we leave off at?
            I don't know dearest sister!
            Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:

            [61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.

            [61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.

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            • Do you understand Urdu?
              Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:

              [61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.

              [61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.

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              • The only difference between a Sunni and Ahmadi is the messiah? What does the messiah do does he serve as a khalifah? is this just a made up position to make him happy or does he actually do real things?

                If yes, what has he done for the betterment of Islam.

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                • Originally posted by Jasmine
                  Okay, someone had told me that since the Messiah had such a horrible death. He cant be the Messiah as Allah would not want him to die such a way.

                  what do you think?


                  Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:

                  [61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.

                  [61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.

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                  • MWMN,
                    can you list the Ahmadi contributions so members can see.

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                    • Dr.Israr on Ahmadiyyat,

                      he mentions an important hadith found in Musnad Ahmad that the first and last Khilifat will be on the basis of prophethood.

                      Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:

                      [61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.

                      [61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.

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                      • Jawed Ghamdi's stance on Hadhrat Isa (as)

                        Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:

                        [61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.

                        [61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.

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                        • Originally posted by Dukhtar-e-Kabul View Post
                          MWMN,
                          can you list the Ahmadi contributions so members can see.
                          This book mentions what Ahmadiyyat has done for the world. It is in Urdu.

                          Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:

                          [61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.

                          [61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.

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                          • The first Muslim Nobel Prize winner. He was rejected by Muslims because he was an Ahmadi.

                            Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:

                            [61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.

                            [61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.

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                            • What do you mean rejected? He won such a great award and they said we refuse to accept him as a Muslim? We have some shame.

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                              • With his prize money he wanted to build a Physics laboratory in Pakistan for poor Muslim students so that they could have a chance despite being poor. The clergy threatened street violence and bloodshed. So, Dr. Abdus Salaam was forced to build his now world famous laboratory in Italy.

                                the Abdus Salam International Centre for Theoretical Physics
                                Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:

                                [61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.

                                [61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.

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