why are afghan pashtuns now called kabuli?true pashtun are pakistan or afghan pashtun

[SiiNii]

Come on guys its Ramadan, can't you all be nice to each other for a few weeks?

[Manzareh]

I just don't get it, I'm not in favour of any or watering down Pashtun culture wether its Indic or Persian but why do people not a have problem with marginalising Pashto with Dari but have a problem with marginalising Pashto with Urdu?? It's the same thing, marginalising is marginalising, the only excuse iv ever heard is because people that speak Urdu eat dhaal :-|

[Khostai]

i just don't get it, i'm not in favour of any or watering down pashtun culture wether its indic or persian but why do people not a have problem with marginalising pashto with dari but have a problem with marginalising pashto with urdu?? It's the same thing, marginalising is marginalising, the only excuse iv ever heard is because people that speak urdu eat dhaal :-|

lol

[gadoonwal]

So far i never met a true pashtun and here Banusi kaka asking us which side is true pashtuns.
After traviling to many parts of pashtunkland on both side of durandline i reach to this point that pashtun need ,,masaiha,,.
Masaiha could help pashtuns by saving pashtu language and unite them to one country.
First afghanistan
The afghan pashtuns get offended if you say something against farsi.
I have many afghan pashtuns friend and many of them are nationalist but none of them speak pashtu at home.In fact some afghan-pashtun get offended if you ask them whether he is pashtun or not.They like to be indentify as an afghan not pashtun.
Pashtu in afghanistan is just a regional language.
Once a pashtun get some education in afghanistan the first thing will be to adopt farsi and the 2nd thing to find farsiban woman to marry.
The rulling class farsibans look down up on pashtu and pashtuns.
They will call you ,,dumdar and spagan,,,if you speak pashtu and behave like one.
From top to bottom it is all farsi ,,afghan-pashtun need to accept this reality.
During the british era and sickh rule the durani rulers never help pashtuns of the east.A bloody war continued in peer sabaq area of nokhaar distt the brave khatak and yousufzai pashtuns of swabi,mardan were fighting against Sickhs the so called azam khan durani (the wali of peshwar) did,nt cross the river to join with his fellow pashtuns.In fact azam khan signed a deal with Sicks.
The khataks of Nokhar and yousufzais of mardan,swabi and chamla-amazai buner fight many wars against Sikhs without getting any help from afghanistan.
Later on another durani abdurahman sold them to britishes.
One last thing how dare amanullah khan declare the freedom and the day of isteqlaal when half of his country was still under british rule?
Did he recognised the durandline?
if not how he declare the independence day for present day afghanistan?
The afghan-pashtuns can not blame the pashtuns of east for this mess.


Now to the pashtuns of pakistan.

They did,nt get a chance to vote in favor of their own country pashtunistan in the refrendum held in the forties nor thier motherland afghanistan fire a single shot against punjabis in 1947 for their land.
They brought punjabis in buses to pashtunkhwa to vote in favor of pakistan cus the pashtun nationalists and bacha khan boycotted the so called refrendum.
Who will you vote for pakistan or hindostan or islam or india whatever you call it.This is what they did to pashtuns.

Again the pashtuns of pashtunkhwa should not call pakistan is their country cus this was imposed up on them.
The punjabis misguided them and use the name of islam for their own interest.
The punjabis stealing their sources,not recognizing their culture and history and making them fool in the name of islam.
The pashtuns in pakistan know very little about their past.Like how they become part of pakistan.Well most of them know that they were part of afghanistan but they are totally misguided when pakistan was created.
They mix urdu words into pashtu like afghans mix dari into pashtu.
One say jee jee and another say balay balay,,,,,,,what is the difference?
The pakistani ,,isi,, bomb their schools in the name of ttp and driven out swatyaans from their areas?
why and for what?
why waziris and mehsoods villages are destroyed?
WHY PEKHAWAR BECOME THE MOST DANGEROUS CITY ON EARTH WHY NOT LAHORE?
Reject the lahori islam and follow the islam of makkah.
Do,nt listen to people like Tariq Jameel.Once he said their is one specail door in jaanah for pashtuns.
These are paid people using you.
Stand side by side with other pashtuns for your identity and freedom.Break the backbone of pakistan by declaring your own homeland greater pashtunistan.



The sulotion

The pashtuns of both side have one good choice to unite into one country,destroy the durandline,declaring margala (in attock) its border with pakistan and push back all these racists farsibans migrants accross the amu river into their country of origin.Make afghanistan and pashtunkhwa a greater pashtunistan or its pashtu name pashtunkhwa.
Pashtuns will be 90% if they unite.It will be a true pashtun country.
If you can,nt help your language with 90% then you do,nt need to be in this world,go to hell.


or
stay where you are and be loyal slave of punjabis and parsibans.

[gadoonwal]

da banu mazegara cherta laar ye.
back to your question of kabuli now.

Many pashtuns known by the area so as kabulyaan.

Kabul is famous place so even if they are from ghazni they still say i am from kabul when they are out of afghanistan .
They do,nt use the term kabalay in afghanistan for pashtuns.

[khushal]

its completely false that Pashto is taking a back seat to Dari in Afghanistan. If Pashto is a regional language then so is Dari. Dari is spoken mostly in the north except for Kunduz and the Pashtuns in the north all speak pashto. Kabul and the west is mixed and the south and east are pure Pashto.

Quit the non sense.

[Musa_Jutt]

i think both are same the diff occur due to the border line...

[rednwhite99]

So far i never met a true pashtun and here Banusi kaka asking us which side is true pashtuns.
After traviling to many parts of pashtunkland on both side of durandline i reach to this point that pashtun need ,,masaiha,,.
Masaiha could help pashtuns by saving pashtu language and unite them to one country.
First afghanistan
The afghan pashtuns get offended if you say something against farsi.
I have many afghan pashtuns friend and many of them are nationalist but none of them speak pashtu at home.In fact some afghan-pashtun get offended if you ask them whether he is pashtun or not.They like to be indentify as an afghan not pashtun.
Pashtu in afghanistan is just a regional language.
Once a pashtun get some education in afghanistan the first thing will be to adopt farsi and the 2nd thing to find farsiban woman to marry.
The rulling class farsibans look down up on pashtu and pashtuns.
They will call you ,,dumdar and spagan,,,if you speak pashtu and behave like one.
From top to bottom it is all farsi ,,afghan-pashtun need to accept this reality.
During the british era and sickh rule the durani rulers never help pashtuns of the east.A bloody war continued in peer sabaq area of nokhaar distt the brave khatak and yousufzai pashtuns of swabi,mardan were fighting against Sickhs the so called azam khan durani (the wali of peshwar) did,nt cross the river to join with his fellow pashtuns.In fact azam khan signed a deal with Sicks.
The khataks of Nokhar and yousufzais of mardan,swabi and chamla-amazai buner fight many wars against Sikhs without getting any help from afghanistan.
Later on another durani abdurahman sold them to britishes.
One last thing how dare amanullah khan declare the freedom and the day of isteqlaal when half of his country was still under british rule?
Did he recognised the durandline?
if not how he declare the independence day for present day afghanistan?
The afghan-pashtuns can not blame the pashtuns of east for this mess.


Now to the pashtuns of pakistan.

They did,nt get a chance to vote in favor of their own country pashtunistan in the refrendum held in the forties nor thier motherland afghanistan fire a single shot against punjabis in 1947 for their land.
They brought punjabis in buses to pashtunkhwa to vote in favor of pakistan cus the pashtun nationalists and bacha khan boycotted the so called refrendum.
Who will you vote for pakistan or hindostan or islam or india whatever you call it.This is what they did to pashtuns.

Again the pashtuns of pashtunkhwa should not call pakistan is their country cus this was imposed up on them.
The punjabis misguided them and use the name of islam for their own interest.
The punjabis stealing their sources,not recognizing their culture and history and making them fool in the name of islam.
The pashtuns in pakistan know very little about their past.Like how they become part of pakistan.Well most of them know that they were part of afghanistan but they are totally misguided when pakistan was created.
They mix urdu words into pashtu like afghans mix dari into pashtu.
One say jee jee and another say balay balay,,,,,,,what is the difference?
The pakistani ,,isi,, bomb their schools in the name of ttp and driven out swatyaans from their areas?
why and for what?
why waziris and mehsoods villages are destroyed?
WHY PEKHAWAR BECOME THE MOST DANGEROUS CITY ON EARTH WHY NOT LAHORE?
Reject the lahori islam and follow the islam of makkah.
Do,nt listen to people like Tariq Jameel.Once he said their is one specail door in jaanah for pashtuns.
These are paid people using you.
Stand side by side with other pashtuns for your identity and freedom.Break the backbone of pakistan by declaring your own homeland greater pashtunistan.



The sulotion

The pashtuns of both side have one good choice to unite into one country,destroy the durandline,declaring margala (in attock) its border with pakistan and push back all these racists farsibans migrants accross the amu river into their country of origin.Make afghanistan and pashtunkhwa a greater pashtunistan or its pashtu name pashtunkhwa.
Pashtuns will be 90% if they unite.It will be a true pashtun country.
If you can,nt help your language with 90% then you do,nt need to be in this world,go to hell.


or
stay where you are and be loyal slave of punjabis and parsibans.

i think u need to check on each n every detail that u have provided by taking valuable sources like books into consideration..
this is a humble request
personal conclusions dont matter

[ډګروال]

its completely false that Pashto is taking a back seat to Dari in Afghanistan. If Pashto is a regional language then so is Dari. Dari is spoken mostly in the north except for Kunduz and the Pashtuns in the north all speak pashto. Kabul and the west is mixed and the south and east are pure Pashto.

Quit the non sense.

not just that but look at this kadoowal claiming that pashtuns tell people that they are from kabul. i was born and raised in kabul yet i my family never ever called ourselves kabulis. matter of fact non pashtuns from other cities also dont call themselves kabul. most call themselves by the name of their ancestral city, such as khostai,kunaray,badakhshani,laghmani,paktiawal.

i think all these guys have is lies ,just to ignore their own state of decay and try to portray Afghans in a bad light. we cant blame them because their information comes from internet and that is one source which is kabulzada aka tajokistani troll.


i also dont think pukhtunkhwa is ready to join Afghanistan since it is full of corruption.
just take a look at the pollywood , look at all their pashto music industry.
that would be a disaster to Afghanistan.

[MENTION=1068]gadoonwal[/MENTION]
dont brag too much buddy.
the war in Afghanistan is rozi for your type of people.
right now the supply route is through pukhtunkhwa ,what does that tell us?
look they are protesting cutting their business.
Afghan NATO supplies hit by transport strike - YouTube

listen to these morons.
they think they become ghazi once they have delivered the supply.
Nato Oil Tanker Drivers Problems - Ali Shinwari - YouTube

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

So far i never met a true pashtun and here Banusi kaka asking us which side is true pashtuns.
After traviling to many parts of pashtunkland on both side of durandline i reach to this point that pashtun need ,,masaiha,,.
Masaiha could help pashtuns by saving pashtu language and unite them to one country.
First afghanistan
The afghan pashtuns get offended if you say something against farsi.
I have many afghan pashtuns friend and many of them are nationalist but none of them speak pashtu at home.In fact some afghan-pashtun get offended if you ask them whether he is pashtun or not.They like to be indentify as an afghan not pashtun.
Pashtu in afghanistan is just a regional language.
Once a pashtun get some education in afghanistan the first thing will be to adopt farsi and the 2nd thing to find farsiban woman to marry.
The rulling class farsibans look down up on pashtu and pashtuns.
They will call you ,,dumdar and spagan,,,if you speak pashtu and behave like one.
From top to bottom it is all farsi ,,afghan-pashtun need to accept this reality.
During the british era and sickh rule the durani rulers never help pashtuns of the east.A bloody war continued in peer sabaq area of nokhaar distt the brave khatak and yousufzai pashtuns of swabi,mardan were fighting against Sickhs the so called azam khan durani (the wali of peshwar) did,nt cross the river to join with his fellow pashtuns.In fact azam khan signed a deal with Sicks.
The khataks of Nokhar and yousufzais of mardan,swabi and chamla-amazai buner fight many wars against Sikhs without getting any help from afghanistan.
Later on another durani abdurahman sold them to britishes.
One last thing how dare amanullah khan declare the freedom and the day of isteqlaal when half of his country was still under british rule?
Did he recognised the durandline?
if not how he declare the independence day for present day afghanistan?
The afghan-pashtuns can not blame the pashtuns of east for this mess.


Now to the pashtuns of pakistan.

They did,nt get a chance to vote in favor of their own country pashtunistan in the refrendum held in the forties nor thier motherland afghanistan fire a single shot against punjabis in 1947 for their land.
They brought punjabis in buses to pashtunkhwa to vote in favor of pakistan cus the pashtun nationalists and bacha khan boycotted the so called refrendum.
Who will you vote for pakistan or hindostan or islam or india whatever you call it.This is what they did to pashtuns.

Again the pashtuns of pashtunkhwa should not call pakistan is their country cus this was imposed up on them.
The punjabis misguided them and use the name of islam for their own interest.
The punjabis stealing their sources,not recognizing their culture and history and making them fool in the name of islam.
The pashtuns in pakistan know very little about their past.Like how they become part of pakistan.Well most of them know that they were part of afghanistan but they are totally misguided when pakistan was created.
They mix urdu words into pashtu like afghans mix dari into pashtu.
One say jee jee and another say balay balay,,,,,,,what is the difference?
The pakistani ,,isi,, bomb their schools in the name of ttp and driven out swatyaans from their areas?
why and for what?
why waziris and mehsoods villages are destroyed?
WHY PEKHAWAR BECOME THE MOST DANGEROUS CITY ON EARTH WHY NOT LAHORE?
Reject the lahori islam and follow the islam of makkah.
Do,nt listen to people like Tariq Jameel.Once he said their is one specail door in jaanah for pashtuns.
These are paid people using you.
Stand side by side with other pashtuns for your identity and freedom.Break the backbone of pakistan by declaring your own homeland greater pashtunistan.



The sulotion

The pashtuns of both side have one good choice to unite into one country,destroy the durandline,declaring margala (in attock) its border with pakistan and push back all these racists farsibans migrants accross the amu river into their country of origin.Make afghanistan and pashtunkhwa a greater pashtunistan or its pashtu name pashtunkhwa.
Pashtuns will be 90% if they unite.It will be a true pashtun country.
If you can,nt help your language with 90% then you do,nt need to be in this world,go to hell.


or
stay where you are and be loyal slave of punjabis and parsibans.

Super post

Bhai jana kasam di khwand ye waka.
very well said..pashtuns on either side of the border are responsible.

[Manzareh]

^ What a time to use the word "Bhai" LOL. No one is responsible, no point crying over spilt milk or sacrificing the future of our people by wasting time on hindsight.

[khushal]

^ What a time to use the word "Bhai" LOL. .

this gave me a good laugh. I probably laughed for a good 20 minutes

[Pukhtoon]

Just a few points not intended to cause dissension but to clarify some facts and misconceptions.

To say Dari in Afghanistan is the equivalent of Urdu in Pakistan is inaccurate.

Pashto is and has been a national language of Afghanistan along side Dari, which, has been the lingua franca in the region since time immemorial. Farsi/Dari was also a language required to be learned amongst the Indian subcontinent as well until the advent of Urdu because of all the scholarly works in the language including an amazing amount of Islamic works. Pashto is used in government, schools, on signs, radio, television, our national anthem, and media equally with Dari. Can the same be said for Pashto in Pakistan? Unfortunately the answer is a resounding "No."

In Islamabad, or Karachi, or Lahore, are students required to learn Pashto in school? Were Pashtoons even allowed to teach students in Pashto in KPK? As far as I can remember, they had to lobby to even be recognized as a national language and very recently some schooling is done in Pashto. Do they give equal time to both Pashto and Urdu on the news in Pakistan? In Afghanistan, most anyone that has finished 12th grade can speak Pashto, can you find the same thing in Islamabad?

In Afghanistan, non-Pashtoons accept and adhere to, but nowhere nearly as stringently, but nonetheless do consider Pashtoonwali concepts as part of their "Afghayat" attributable to all inhabitants of Afghanistan. Do Pakistani's by and large accept Pashtoonwali concepts as their own, even if they label it as something else?

Do they even respect our culture one iota? Or make jokes of our Emirs, our language, and become blind to the many excursions the same Pashtoons took into India to save the same Indian Muslims from the Hindu's, the people who now form the majority of Pakistan? In Afghanistan, I can say, because the Pashtoons are the ruling class and have been since the beginning, Pashtoon history has become the other ethnic groups shared history. Just like the Pakistanis have taught Pashtoons Punjabi history and Pakistani Pashtoons now consider it their own history, the other ethnic groups in Afghanistan have done the same, even when many of those same figures have attacked their people in times past.

Also, it's completely false to say Pashtoons consider themselves Kabuli even if there from Kabul. In fact, Tajiks, Hazaras, Uzbeks, and others will never call themselves Kabuli - Kabuli is only attributable to what we consider original inhabitants of Kabul. People consider themselves their original city or town, for example, like mentioned earlier, someone from Paktia living in Kabul or somewhere else for generations will say I am Paktiawal, Kuduzi, etc. or identify by their tribe. Further, it is very rare an Afghan Pashtoon, even if they have lived in a Farsi area for generations, to not know their tribe whereas the same is not true in all areas where Pashtoons live.

Further, one of the only reasons Afghans live in non-Pashtoon areas is because the capitol is in Kabul and therefore money, school, work, etc. flows from there. The ruling elite in Afghanistan was Pashtoon so when the capital moved, they too moved. The capital was changed I believe to monitor the non-Pashtoon populous and also during forced moves of Pashtoons in non-Pashtoon population centers. But despite this, they lobbied for increased exposure of Pashto even to non-Pashtoons. But that is another point.

Staying back on topic, though, I don't know if many from the other side have been to Afghanistan, but the treatment you would receive on the Afghan side from non-Pashtoons would be quite different to what is going on in Pakistan to Pakistani Pashtoons and moreso Afghan Pashtoons. Our concepts of nang, namoos, ghairat, hosting a guest, etc. are categorically different to our non-Pashtoon neighbors in Pakistan and could not be anymore different. Because of Pashtoon dominance in Afghanistan for so long, the cultural divide is much less as between minority groups in Afghanistan and Pashtoons as opposed to other Pakistanis and Sarhad Pashtoons.

There may be incidents peculiar to a person or individual but by and large, this has been the experience of the masses. I just thought I should post this so people on the other side of the Durrand can get a sense for why Pashtoons from Afghanistan have the feelings they do and feel the situation between the non-Pashtoon population as to the two countries are quite different.

[Kushan Prince]

Just a few points not intended to cause dissension but to clarify some facts and misconceptions.

To say Dari in Afghanistan is the equivalent of Urdu in Pakistan is inaccurate.

Pashto is and has been a national language of Afghanistan along side Dari, which, has been the lingua franca in the region since time immemorial. Farsi/Dari was also a language required to be learned amongst the Indian subcontinent as well until the advent of Urdu because of all the scholarly works in the language including an amazing amount of Islamic works. Pashto is used in government, schools, on signs, radio, television, our national anthem, and media equally with Dari. Can the same be said for Pashto in Pakistan? Unfortunately the answer is a resounding "No."

In Islamabad, or Karachi, or Lahore, are students required to learn Pashto in school? Were Pashtoons even allowed to teach students in Pashto in KPK? As far as I can remember, they had to lobby to even be recognized as a national language and very recently some schooling is done in Pashto. Do they give equal time to both Pashto and Urdu on the news in Pakistan? In Afghanistan, most anyone that has finished 12th grade can speak Pashto, can you find the same thing in Islamabad?

In Afghanistan, non-Pashtoons accept and adhere to, but nowhere nearly as stringently, but nonetheless do consider Pashtoonwali concepts as part of their "Afghayat" attributable to all inhabitants of Afghanistan. Do Pakistani's by and large accept Pashtoonwali concepts as their own, even if they label it as something else?

Do they even respect our culture one iota? Or make jokes of our Emirs, our language, and become blind to the many excursions the same Pashtoons took into India to save the same Indian Muslims from the Hindu's, the people who now form the majority of Pakistan? In Afghanistan, I can say, because the Pashtoons are the ruling class and have been since the beginning, Pashtoon history has become the other ethnic groups shared history. Just like the Pakistanis have taught Pashtoons Punjabi history and Pakistani Pashtoons now consider it their own history, the other ethnic groups in Afghanistan have done the same, even when many of those same figures have attacked their people in times past.

Also, it's completely false to say Pashtoons consider themselves Kabuli even if there from Kabul. In fact, Tajiks, Hazaras, Uzbeks, and others will never call themselves Kabuli - Kabuli is only attributable to what we consider original inhabitants of Kabul. People consider themselves their original city or town, for example, like mentioned earlier, someone from Paktia living in Kabul or somewhere else for generations will say I am Paktiawal, Kuduzi, etc. or identify by their tribe. Further, it is very rare an Afghan Pashtoon, even if they have lived in a Farsi area for generations, to not know their tribe whereas the same is not true in all areas where Pashtoons live.

Further, one of the only reasons Afghans live in non-Pashtoon areas is because the capitol is in Kabul and therefore money, school, work, etc. flows from there. The ruling elite in Afghanistan was Pashtoon so when the capital moved, they too moved. The capital was changed I believe to monitor the non-Pashtoon populous and also during forced moves of Pashtoons in non-Pashtoon population centers. But despite this, they lobbied for increased exposure of Pashto even to non-Pashtoons. But that is another point.

Staying back on topic, though, I don't know if many from the other side have been to Afghanistan, but the treatment you would receive on the Afghan side from non-Pashtoons would be quite different to what is going on in Pakistan to Pakistani Pashtoons and moreso Afghan Pashtoons. Our concepts of nang, namoos, ghairat, hosting a guest, etc. are categorically different to our non-Pashtoon neighbors in Pakistan and could not be anymore different. Because of Pashtoon dominance in Afghanistan for so long, the cultural divide is much less as between minority groups in Afghanistan and Pashtoons as opposed to other Pakistanis and Sarhad Pashtoons.

There may be incidents peculiar to a person or individual but by and large, this has been the experience of the masses. I just thought I should post this so people on the other side of the Durrand can get a sense for why Pashtoons from Afghanistan have the feelings they do and feel the situation between the non-Pashtoon population as to the two countries are quite different.

Dari has no right in Afghanistan and neither should Urdu in KPK or Godar.

Case closed.

[gadoonwal]

not just that but look at this kadoowal claiming that pashtuns tell people that they are from kabul. i was born and raised in kabul yet i my family never ever called ourselves kabulis. matter of fact non pashtuns from other cities also dont call themselves kabul. most call themselves by the name of their ancestral city, such as khostai,kunaray,badakhshani,laghmani,paktiawal.

i think all these guys have is lies ,just to ignore their own state of decay and try to portray Afghans in a bad light. we cant blame them because their information comes from internet and that is one source which is kabulzada aka tajokistani troll.


i also dont think pukhtunkhwa is ready to join Afghanistan since it is full of corruption.
just take a look at the pollywood , look at all their pashto music industry.
that would be a disaster to Afghanistan.

@gadoonwal
dont brag too much buddy.
the war in Afghanistan is rozi for your type of people.
right now the supply route is through pukhtunkhwa ,what does that tell us?
look they are protesting cutting their business.
Afghan NATO supplies hit by transport strike - YouTube

listen to these morons.
they think they become ghazi once they have delivered the supply.
Nato Oil Tanker Drivers Problems - Ali Shinwari - YouTube

face the reality and do,nt use stuped language Mr Kabarwala.
Prove me wrong with solid proof.