why are afghan pashtuns now called kabuli?true pashtun are pakistan or afghan pashtun

[rednwhite99]

loooooool you behave like a traitor! Why should we call ourselves Ajam (Farsiwans)???????? We are fighting Farsiwan influence in our regions and you want us to identify ourselves with them. Your double-game is revealed Wrora!

bro i didnt know the meaning of ajam ..i though every non arab is an ajam...quran didnt mention persians i think by quoting no arab has any superiority over ajams.. there were other tribes like turks etc ..
in my mind ajam is non arab

[rednwhite99]

Ahmad Shah Abdali did not rule them he made with them an agreement. Abdali was surrounded by non-Pashtuns. Tajoke Sabir Shah Kabuli croned him to king serving those Irani generals who chose Abdali. Abdali was more Tajoke than Pashtun. Have you ever read some pages of Ahmadshahi? If you want to be an expert on history than try to use some facts. And yes, Afghanistan is a Pashtun identity and it should be a Pashtun country. But we can not deny the rights of other people. We can just limit their demands and keep them to a certain level down. Fighting all those Tajokes, Uzbeks and others will harm us more than we can harm them. Look to current situation. Look what they did to Afghanistan and who suffer? Pashtuns! They get paid and enrich themselves and Pashtuns die. This Paki Dalkhor is a maniac. I wonder why he is still active here with so much racism. As a Paki he has no right to talk about the tribes of Afghanistan. Be it Tajokes, Uzbeks, Afghans or Hazaras.

mate abdali was a great commander of nadir shah but no tajoke chose him..nadir shah(turk not tajik or persian) cud see a future king in abdali and then abdali basically attacked subcontinent..tajoke were no where during the empires .tajokes were not considered anything amongst persians turks and pashtuns..
if tajiks were so dear to persian ,they would hav annexed them to their persian empire but they didnt .

[Manzareh]

again you are lying and being deceitful.
Rojey kho lag khayl sataha yara.
there are many if not as many non pashtuns muhajirs in pekhawar.
matter of fact there are neighbourhoods where majority of these non pashtun Afghans live. hayatabad is one of them. as for pashtuns ,like i said they learn in pashto and there are mixed shcools where they teah dari and pashto. BTW in Afghanistan the main languages are Pashto and dari.
keep in mind ,i have no beef with dari or urdu as i speak read and write both of these languages as well. maybe you need to start learning pashto first than talk about denying other people their right.


why do you want me to say that Afghanistan is not a pashtun country.
offcourse it is a pashtun country and country for Pashtuns and offcourse other ethnicities also live ther and its their country as well.


there is no way anyone will want a fascist state which you wish for.
like i gave you the example of israelites to palestine,thats the way you think.
you think all the non pashtuns should be killed or kicked out of Afghanistan so that it is suitable for you. all for what? so that you could stop being destroyd by punjabistan and your culture taken over by hindu culture?

wise up man

I'm not wishing for a fascist state. Indians have India where the national language is Indian, English have England where the national language is English, Nigerians have Nigeria where the national language is Nigerian, so if I say Pashtuns should have their own country with Pashto as the national language that makes me a fascist? Why do Pashtuns have to have a JOINT language and culture? obviously its because its not a pashtun country so admit it. Anyhow that's not my point, my point is how can you have a vendetta against Pashtuns accepting a joint language with Urdu in Pakistan when you yourself are content with having a joint language with Persian THIS IS BEING HYPOCRITE no?

[ډګروال]

I'm not wishing for a fascist state. Indians have India where the national language is Indian, English have England where the national language is English, Nigerians have Nigeria where the national language is Nigerian, so if I say Pashtuns should have their own country with Pashto as the national language that makes me a fascist? Why do Pashtuns have to have a JOINT language and culture? obviously its because its not a pashtun country so admit it. Anyhow that's not my point, my point is how can you have a vendetta against Pashtuns accepting a joint language with Urdu in Pakistan when you yourself are content with having a joint language with Persian THIS IS BEING HYPOCRITE no?

you are a munafiq who is constantly trying to avoid the facts and make up things to make himself feel good and malign the Pashtuns in Afghanistan.

my country is Afghanistan and my language is Pashto and it is also the national language of Afghanistan.
the terminology of my country is in pashto, we have universities in pashto, tv channels ,magazines,books and all in pashto.
military commands are in pashto and much more.the culture of the country is pashto.

pakistan's language is urdu ,pashto is nothing in pakistan so there is no joint language in pakistan. it has no status ,most of you cant even speak pashto ,let alone writing and counting.
on the otherhand many non pashtuns also speak pashto pashto in Afghanistan and can also read and write it.

dont try to throw dirt on us ,instead try to learn to read and write pashto and offcourse learn to count in pashto.

you yourself are a kabuli migrated to swat and now a hardcore paki.
how does that make sense?

pashtunistan is a fascist state because there are more ethnicities livign in my lands(from amu to attok).

btw why didnt you check registerwal(kabulzada) the tajokistonis post sources and didnt check it with critical thinking instead of just sucking up to this anti pashtun person?
there are many holes in his source and theory.
thats desperate

[Registerwal]

his surname is akbarzai.. his mother speaks dari he says

You see. There are some pashtunized Tajokes even in the deepest part of Pashtun lands :D. Arbabzai, Akbarzai, sometimes Shirzai and Alizai, some Safis and Rustamkhils are original Tajeks. There are some other tribes like Barki-Barak in Logar province. Even in Paktika Urgun district 1/5 of Urgunis are Tajeks. The Balkhian governeur Ata is from Logar

[Registerwal]

mate abdali was a great commander of nadir shah but no tajoke chose him..nadir shah(turk not tajik or persian) cud see a future king in abdali and then abdali basically attacked subcontinent..tajoke were no where during the empires .tajokes were not considered anything amongst persians turks and pashtuns..
if tajiks were so dear to persian ,they would hav annexed them to their persian empire but they didnt .

Read some books. Maybe you get a copy of Tarikhahmadshahi. Abdali court was full of Tajokes and other Darispeakers and even Farsispeakers. Do you think those Pashtuns adopted Dari and Farsi because they loved it? Abdali´s empire was not just an Empire it was a tribal empire. You can accept it or not many scholars descripe it as ''federal''. Everyone was threated equal. I don´t know why so many Tajoke racists hate him. He gave them many places and positions and roles more to them than to his own Pashtuns. Maybe a mistake of him.

[Registerwal]

Manzareh wrora, why are you arguing with someone stubborn like that brother? Majority of this forum know you are right. And there are some people who just don´t want to accept reality on ground. Just read this and use this against these sleepyheads as much you can Guest Blog: Inequality in Equality: Linguistic Convergence between Dari and Pashto | Afghanistan Analysts Network

I repeat again. Not Urdu is our enemy but Dari!!!

[KGODB]

Afghanistan was known as the land of pashtuns until the durrand line agreement.but not anymore

while reading regarding the tribes of pashtuns..one strange thing i noticed that all the major tribes infact 90% of the major tribes of pashtuns are now in khyberpakhtunkhwa and other parts of pakistan

100% of karlani pashtuns are in pakistan(40% of pashtuns are karlani alone)

Pashtun tribes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

same is the case with the rest of the pashtun tribes.

the remainin dud pashtun tribes in present day afghanistan are completely deluded by dari.they speak dari,there national anthem,national speech,media everything is in dari.


I want the pashtun of Great Pakistan should unite and force the uzbekized and tajikized kabuli to get back to there original land now occupied by Tajiks.

than we pashtun should demand our own pashtunistan from afghanistan or the kabuli to be merged with kpk forming greater KPK


Right now there own country is occupied by 42countries and they call us pakistani pashtuns as beghairat.

what do you guys think?should we go upto UN demanding our very own pashtunistan from the kabuli?

this would be a delightful idea, useless troll if it wasnt for the fact that Pakistani Pashtuns are subservient tools of an Indian Muslim Military Elite and always will be

so no thank you, we have our own problems, the last thing we need is Chaudrahy sahib picking at our carcass too

[KGODB]

bro ..i tell u one thing u will find some pashtun in kpk who are nationalists but fata people over there are v patriotic ..this might be surprizing but i know that especially kurram agency
and they didnt submit actually amir of afghanistan sold them..submission was by the amir of afghanistan who submitted to the brits with an agreement

no one was sold

your lands were conquered by the Sikhs and then the English.

the agreement was to mark spheres of influence based on an existing set up

so no, please dont cry and feel sorry for yourselves as hapless victims who were sold

you were conquered

[Manzareh]

you are a munafiq who is constantly trying to avoid the facts and make up things to make himself feel good and malign the Pashtuns in Afghanistan.

my country is Afghanistan and my language is Pashto and it is also the national language of Afghanistan.
the terminology of my country is in pashto, we have universities in pashto, tv channels ,magazines,books and all in pashto.
military commands are in pashto and much more.the culture of the country is pashto.

pakistan's language is urdu ,pashto is nothing in pakistan so there is no joint language in pakistan. it has no status ,most of you cant even speak pashto ,let alone writing and counting.
on the otherhand many non pashtuns also speak pashto pashto in Afghanistan and can also read and write it.

dont try to throw dirt on us ,instead try to learn to read and write pashto and offcourse learn to count in pashto.

you yourself are a kabuli migrated to swat and now a hardcore paki.
how does that make sense?

pashtunistan is a fascist state because there are more ethnicities livign in my lands(from amu to attok).

btw why didnt you check registerwal(kabulzada) the tajokistonis post sources and didnt check it with critical thinking instead of just sucking up to this anti pashtun person?
there are many holes in his source and theory.
thats desperate

You have no relative answer or able to have a constructive debate so you resort to personal attacks based on your own assumptions, put insults aside they will not help you.

Stop going around in circles and avoiding a SIMPLE question, answer simply instead. Why do you think it is ok to mix your lands with Persian language and influence equally with Pashto and have no objection but don't agree with Pashtuns mixing Urdu? It's the same thing we are not Persians or Indics.

Its clear you don't understand what fascism is if you think people are not entitled to have their own country, nobody said kick other races out just to have a sole national language, there are other ethnicities in America but still there is one national language its not joint with spanish etc so are they fascist?? Your logic is flawed. There is nothing you can do about the Persian dominance and influence so you try and make it look like its that way by way of choice to make yourself feel better.

[rednwhite99]

no one was sold

your lands were conquered by the Sikhs and then the English.

the agreement was to mark spheres of influence based on an existing set up

so no, please dont cry and feel sorry for yourselves as hapless victims who were sold

you were conquered

yes maybe we were conquered but only maybe the pashtuns on this part were trying to defend the pashtuns on the other side i.e ur forefathers..
but not believing something that is true is completely wrong..sold is the word that amir used ,,amir of afghanistan was not a high profile person ,he signed a contract after being defeated in the 3rd war with british and in order to protect himself he sold this part on a condition that british wudnt involve in afghanistans matter no more ..
the first two wars were won only because of the pata pashtuns not the pashtuns that reside in afghanistan at the moment.. u cant deny that all the great personlities amongst pashtuns are from this side of the border..
these pashtuns gave english hardtime and that is why amir knew that these pashtuns have lost war against english so bfr he looses all of the afghanistan to english he sold this land.. so u shud thank fata and kpk it gave the qurbani or other wise u wud have been fighting for independance too mate

[rednwhite99]

You have no relative answer or able to have a constructive debate so you resort to personal attacks based on your own assumptions, put insults aside they will not help you.

Stop going around in circles and avoiding a SIMPLE question, answer simply instead. Why do you think it is ok to mix your lands with Persian language and influence equally with Pashto and have no objection but don't agree with Pashtuns mixing Urdu? It's the same thing we are not Persians or Indics.

Its clear you don't understand what fascism is if you think people are not entitled to have their own country, nobody said kick other races out just to have a sole national language, there are other ethnicities in America but still there is one national language its not joint with spanish etc so are they fascist?? Your logic is flawed. There is nothing you can do about the Persian dominance and influence so you try and make it look like its that way by way of choice to make yourself feel better.

mate for example when bengal asked for bengali to be declared as national language along with urdu west pakistan accepted that as they knew who cares its just in the documents ,no punjabi or pashtun is gonna speak bengali anyways ,no subjects wud be taught in bengali, just to pacify the bengali mob they just said alrite we put bengali as national language too bfr 1971
the same goes for afghanistan , they have given pashto a national language status but on the whole its just in papers like the example that i gave...national languages can never be two.. dari is dominant in afghanistan ..any example of tajik speak pashto nooooooooo
pashtun speaking dari plenty

[Smarty]

When pashtun tribes from malakand ,swat, buner, khyber, kurram, orakzai, waziristan, mohamand and sherani rose in revolt in 1897 against durand line demarcation, the beghairat amir abdul rehman and his subjects didnt offered any help to this general uprising against British....

[ډګروال]

You have no relative answer or able to have a constructive debate so you resort to personal attacks based on your own assumptions, put insults aside they will not help you.

Stop going around in circles and avoiding a SIMPLE question, answer simply instead. Why do you think it is ok to mix your lands with Persian language and influence equally with Pashto and have no objection but don't agree with Pashtuns mixing Urdu? It's the same thing we are not Persians or Indics.

Its clear you don't understand what fascism is if you think people are not entitled to have their own country, nobody said kick other races out just to have a sole national language, there are other ethnicities in America but still there is one national language its not joint with spanish etc so are they fascist?? Your logic is flawed. There is nothing you can do about the Persian dominance and influence so you try and make it look like its that way by way of choice to make yourself feel better.

i dont mind you to be a punjabistani slave and continueing your mujra culture in swat as it is happening nowadays.
im just telling yout that your attacks on Afghanistan are based on fables.
you attack Afghanistan because you are simply weak and pathetic. you keep on lying even though your lies are exposed. i have presented my arguments backed with evidence while all you do is back up kabulzada and his faulty sources ,the same kabulzada from whom you were crying that on tajikam they are talking about killing pashtuns.

the problem with people such as you is that your brain is on lock and cant and will never be honest when debating about Afghanistan because you are suffering from "hey look there are mroe pashtuns on this side so pashtuns mean pakistani".

i can present you tons of farsiwaans who speak pashto ,sing pashto etc but it is of no use since you are a dishonest person who's sole purpose is to defend his slave mentality by claiming that Afghanistan is not pashtun country.

i have previously mentioned a couple of examples of Afghanistan and pashto but seems you have overlooked them simply because truth is too hard for you to swallow.

i didnt claim that pashto has its rightful status in Afghanistan , but its in a better position thn before ,it has to do with many factors. Neither do i support the oppression of other people and their language to uplift pashto.

but what is truth is that pashto has no status in pakistan and you are defending that.

we live with different ethnicities because we live with them in our land created by our ancesters together with these people while pukhtunkhwa is our land stolen and forcefully merged with the new born british creation.
never compare pathetic country like pakistan with great Afghanistan.

also try to learn pashto before boosting about its importance.

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When pashtun tribes from malakand ,swat, buner, khyber, kurram, orakzai, waziristan, mohamand and sherani rose in revolt in 1897 against durand line demarcation, the beghairat amir abdul rehman and his subjects didnt offered any help to this general uprising against British....

oh where did the claim go that you are more in numbers?

the tribes have risen now as well and guess who are against them.