why are afghan pashtuns now called kabuli?true pashtun are pakistan or afghan pashtun

[Khostai]

You littel paki biatches are just angry becuase everyone knows that pakis are dirty peopel LOL. and you are now ashemd of it and now want to do the same with Afghanistan wuhahaha.

[torkham]

Like khosti said ahmad baba expanded and took over the northern areas that were then under influence of Bukhara. So the residents became incorporated.

However the current situation doesn't need academic text to source facts, but you can see the politically strategic tugs by US et al and the Machiavellian manipulation that has imposed NA ethnicities to be where they are, in place of natural forces that would otherwise define the governance of Afghanistan, whether its the IEA or other.

You can see insidious US creep with the Bases in our land, the overt presence in Iraq, a pincer move on the persians (read vast gas reserves/assuagement for their Zionist burden)

Why can't the afghans do any thing, well for one, our foe is a superpower, and we have conspirators, watan farosh, we have commercial opportunists who make the push into a putsch. The one's pushing or trying to oust the de facto occupation*, the Resistance, are being being maligned and/or manipulated by the media, hindered by a brain-washed set of our own, and some of these Resistance may genuinely be shooting themselves in their own feet - hard to tell with all the media spouting misleading information.

So what we need is a scalpel - united will amongst us, a charismatic leader, politically savvy intellectual who can forge the nation, mesmerise the various elements until the nation can push out of the post-war, post-plunder cataclysm, then to slowly build the country.

There is another way: the sledgehammer approach which is what's going on now, sadly two steps forward, one step back.

So I assume.

* well a land is occupied when there is a foreign military in a land, the US and their kamak aw hamkari, what kamak? What hamkari? The hamkari is that they are helping them selves.

BTW kamak aw hamkari is aid and assistance, ISAF.

[Manzareh]

a lie to make yourself feel good comparing to pakistan.



this is true except for the Afghans living there.Afghan schools are in pashto and dari.
the extreme majority of people do speak pashto but the institutions are exclusively urdu.

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pukhtunkhwa and not kap or nwfp is a Pashtun country belonging to Afghanistan. you are just trying to find an excuse for your lack of Pashto and pashto.


who says Afghanistan is persianised? and we also aent pakis to oppress other people's languages like it has been done to you. you are suffering from the same from which the jews are suffering.they were oppressed by nazis and they went on to oppress the palestinians.


why do you alsways says persians when there are more ethnicities in Afghanistan.They also celeberate ,matter of fact they are following Pashtunwali aka afghanyath. unlike pakistan or punjabistan we dont oppress other people's language and culture.

you know damn well they cant count in pashto.
except for the tribals and people who know about their afghan identity and care.its not a pashtun country? thats just an excuse for weak and pathetic people.


this must be a joke,even though i do not consider afghan government as representative of the Afghan people(all ethnicities including pashtuns) still your this statement is based on a lie.


people have their literature.
what do you want us to do? burn down all the persian literature?
government is all in pashto,almost all the names of the institutions are in pashto,almost all the terminology is in pashto.
even the persian tvs have to have enough pashto let alone the exclusively pashto tv channels.


pure lie,why do you lie so much in ramamdan?


Afghanistan is greater than a fascist state you are invisioning.
you remind me of the account of when Moses brought the bani israel to palestine they didnt want to enter and and asked Moses to slaughter all the inhabitants first than they will enter.
no matter how much people such as you make excuses they wont work on lar aw bar pukhtana.


kabuli is a the original inhabitants of kabul,they can be pashtun or farsiwaan.
even though i was born and raised in kabul still i or others dont call me kabuli.

having said all that i still think pashto needs more elevation even though it has reached a great height in the last 2 decades.

You admitted it yourself when you said afghan schools in Pakistan teach Pashto AND Dari..most of the immigrants in Pakistan from Afg are Pashtuns but STILL have to learn and teach Dari?? Even in Pakistan the pashtun afghans cannot distance themselves from Persian language lol, I think that says it all. You see, in order to tackle something you first have to ADMIT, you cannot admit that Afghanistan is not a Pashtun country..why don't you just say it "Afghanistan is not a Pashtun country it's a mixed one" that's the problem, first admit that Pashtuns do not have their own country then maybe you can progress. Simple as that.

[Registerwal]

The places where Tajiks reside in the north is Tajik land, you cant kick them out. Ahmed shah Abdali ruled them and annexed them to Afghanistan. Like I said go get an education.

Plus What is pashtunistan, forget this non sense. think big , don't think small. Think Hindustan, Pakistan, Afghanistan Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Turkemistan and all the other stans into one federal unit. That would be ideal. The Europeans are unifying and your thinking about dividing. You are truly mentally colonized.

Ahmad Shah Abdali did not rule them he made with them an agreement. Abdali was surrounded by non-Pashtuns. Tajoke Sabir Shah Kabuli croned him to king serving those Irani generals who chose Abdali. Abdali was more Tajoke than Pashtun. Have you ever read some pages of Ahmadshahi? If you want to be an expert on history than try to use some facts. And yes, Afghanistan is a Pashtun identity and it should be a Pashtun country. But we can not deny the rights of other people. We can just limit their demands and keep them to a certain level down. Fighting all those Tajokes, Uzbeks and others will harm us more than we can harm them. Look to current situation. Look what they did to Afghanistan and who suffer? Pashtuns! They get paid and enrich themselves and Pashtuns die. This Paki Dalkhor is a maniac. I wonder why he is still active here with so much racism. As a Paki he has no right to talk about the tribes of Afghanistan. Be it Tajokes, Uzbeks, Afghans or Hazaras.

[Registerwal]

your numbers are wrong.
the Pashtun population in Afghanistan is around 18 million.
there are about 2 million legal and illegal afghans still living in Pakistan.

True that 66% of Pashtuns are in paksitan but most of you guys are urduized.
Even listening to malalai UN speech. I could here the Urdu accent in her speaking.

you have a source for this claim?

[Registerwal]

u know this wud be the best idea but hindustan shudnt be there because being a hindu country ..rest i think shud be there and the name can be made in such a manner that they represent all these countries..i wish one day this can happen and we can show the arabs that ajams are the most strongest and u have to come n beg for help from us ..
but we need to remove hatred amongst us as ethnic hatred...muslims are suffering from it
one country
APTUTISTAN
A= Afghanistan because afghanistan suffered alot so first letter for afghanistan
p= pakistan
T=tajikistan
U=uzbekistan
T= Turkemanistan
or maybe be AJMIA(land of the Ajams)

That would be the best day of my life

loooooool you behave like a traitor! Why should we call ourselves Ajam (Farsiwans)???????? We are fighting Farsiwan influence in our regions and you want us to identify ourselves with them. Your double-game is revealed Wrora!

[ډګروال]

You admitted it yourself when you said afghan schools in Pakistan teach Pashto AND Dari..most of the immigrants in Pakistan from Afg are Pashtuns but STILL have to learn and teach Dari?? Even in Pakistan the pashtun afghans cannot distance themselves from Persian language lol, I think that says it all. You see, in order to tackle something you first have to ADMIT, you cannot admit that Afghanistan is not a Pashtun country..why don't you just say it "Afghanistan is not a Pashtun country it's a mixed one" that's the problem, first admit that Pashtuns do not have their own country then maybe you can progress. Simple as that.

again you are lying and being deceitful.
Rojey kho lag khayl sataha yara.
there are many if not as many non pashtuns muhajirs in pekhawar.
matter of fact there are neighbourhoods where majority of these non pashtun Afghans live. hayatabad is one of them. as for pashtuns ,like i said they learn in pashto and there are mixed shcools where they teah dari and pashto. BTW in Afghanistan the main languages are Pashto and dari.
keep in mind ,i have no beef with dari or urdu as i speak read and write both of these languages as well. maybe you need to start learning pashto first than talk about denying other people their right.


why do you want me to say that Afghanistan is not a pashtun country.
offcourse it is a pashtun country and country for Pashtuns and offcourse other ethnicities also live ther and its their country as well.


there is no way anyone will want a fascist state which you wish for.
like i gave you the example of israelites to palestine,thats the way you think.
you think all the non pashtuns should be killed or kicked out of Afghanistan so that it is suitable for you. all for what? so that you could stop being destroyd by punjabistan and your culture taken over by hindu culture?

wise up man

[Registerwal]

its completely true.. one of my frend is from paktia and he speaks dari and he says he understands bits of pashto but cant speak pashto...
name afghanistan is on word afghan which was introduced by persians..why wasnt it called pashtunistan

Maybe your friend is not a Pashtun? Paktia has a Tajoke minority specially in the capital. For some years some Shia Pashtun
tribes started to speak Dari as well.

[ډګروال]

Maybe your friend is not a Pashtun? Paktia has a Tajoke minority specially in the capital. For some years some Shia Pashtun
tribes started to speak Dari as well.

utter bull****

i wonde why [MENTION=2]Admin Khan[/MENTION] hasnt banned you yet.

[Registerwal]

To understand the role of Pashto in Afghanistan you must read this official article Guest Blog: Inequality in Equality: Linguistic Convergence between Dari and Pashto | Afghanistan Analysts Network which says that 95% of all state letters and documents are written and approved in Dari. Some people don´t want to accept the facts that Pashto is going down in Afghanistan adn that Dari is our worse enemy. Urdu is a minority language in Pakistan. It can be pushed back but we can not push Dari back once it roots in our language and society. Some people keep lying to make themselves feel good.

[ډګروال]

Like khosti said ahmad baba expanded and took over the northern areas that were then under influence of Bukhara. So the residents became incorporated.

wrora i dont think this is true
Ahmad Shah Abdali had taken over Samarqand and Bukhara but than handed it over the inhabitants to rule themselves.

where did you get this from that northern Afghanistan was under the rule of bukhara?

if we are talking about the Islamic empire times than the make up of Afghanistan was entirely different and the so called complications of nowadays didnt exist back than.

[Registerwal]

wrora i dont think this is true
Ahmad Shah Abdali had taken over Samarqand and Bukhara but than handed it over the inhabitants to rule themselves.

where did you get this from that northern Afghanistan was under the rule of bukhara?

if we are talking about the Islamic empire times than the make up of Afghanistan was entirely different and the so called complications of nowadays didnt exist back than.

He is right. Uzbek lineage was ruling from Bukhara northern Afghanistan. When they saw Abdali is also supported by Iranis, Tajokes, Hazaras and other people they send a gift to Abdali and asked if they can join his empire.

[ډګروال]

He is right. Uzbek lineage was ruling from Bukhara northern Afghanistan. When they saw Abdali is also supported by Iranis, Tajokes, Hazaras and other people they send a gift to Abdali and asked if they can join his empire.

dont quote me again you tajokistoni troll.
i didnt ask you ask you the question, i asked torkham.

[rednwhite99]

He is right. Uzbek lineage was ruling from Bukhara northern Afghanistan. When they saw Abdali is also supported by Iranis, Tajokes, Hazaras and other people they send a gift to Abdali and asked if they can join his empire.

true abdali was commanding under nadir shah so it might be possible ..

[rednwhite99]

Maybe your friend is not a Pashtun? Paktia has a Tajoke minority specially in the capital. For some years some Shia Pashtun
tribes started to speak Dari as well.

his surname is akbarzai.. his mother speaks dari he says