why are afghan pashtuns now called kabuli?true pashtun are pakistan or afghan pashtun

[rednwhite99]

When pashtun tribes from malakand ,swat, buner, khyber, kurram, orakzai, waziristan, mohamand and sherani rose in revolt in 1897 against durand line demarcation, the beghairat amir abdul rehman and his subjects didnt offered any help to this general uprising against British....

this was because he sold this part on a condition that british no more involves in afghanistan matter anymore..if this part wudnt have been sold british wud have captured entire afghanistan because the strongest part the fata and kpk was unfortunatly defeated in 3rd war/...

[ډګروال]

not just all that
but the honourable Pashtuns are also calling themselves Afghan.
thats why you have tons of singers singing for Afghanistan.

how do our house pathans explain that?

[DaZahroJaam.]

the pashtoons of afghanistan have no problem living under the same flag as that of the rest of afghanistan. afghanistan was perfectly alright when it was afghanistan and not the land of pashtons, tajiks or hazaras. it became that after pakistan happened. before the durand line, neither one of you had a problem. now that you have been feeding off of the same bowl as the rest of the dogs in pakistan, all of a sudden you consider yourself too good for afghanistan. fine. stay where you are. if you want to be joined back to afghanistan, you are going to have to work on that twisted tail of yours. otherwise, you can stay right where you are. pakistan worked so well for pakistanies that "loy pakhtunkhuwa" should work for afghans. there is no place under the flag of afghanistan for you if you are going to bring that amount of hatred for the rest of our people with you.
while other nations take pride in their diversity, afghans are being taught to murder each other in the name of their differences. does it not ****ing occur to you to take a ****ing pause and see what you are doing different than the rest of the world in order to realize why you are in such a ****ty state??

when was the last time an afghan gave advice to a pakistani on getting rid of the punjabies from their country or building up their own nation as punjabiestan??

[rednwhite99]

not just all that
but the honourable Pashtuns are also calling themselves Afghan.
thats why you have tons of singers singing for Afghanistan.

how do our house pathans explain that?

i can reply to ur question but u wudnt like it so i wud stay out of it ..

[ډګروال]

i can reply to ur question but u wudnt like it so i wud stay out of it ..

here is your reply for quoting me

karan khan from pukhtunkhwa
Pashto SonG - Zama Gran Gran AfghanistaNa - Karan Khan - YouTube

[torkham]

wrora i dont think this is true
Ahmad Shah Abdali had taken over Samarqand and Bukhara but than handed it over the inhabitants to rule themselves.

where did you get this from that northern Afghanistan was under the rule of bukhara?

if we are talking about the Islamic empire times than the make up of Afghanistan was entirely different and the so called complications of nowadays didnt exist back than.

Dagarwal saeb, here are some links that IMPLY Balkh to Bukhara was taken by Ahmed Baba, and logically one assumes if it was taken, then someone else must have governed the region. The evidence is sketchy no doubt.

https://sites.google.com/site/wrazpanna/ahmad-shah-baba

And here Amir Beg of Bukhara is mentioned as the ruler there:

Ahmad Shah Durrani - Explore Afghanistan with Afghan Wiki - Afghanistan History

Also the Emirate of Bukhara is well documented to have influence, and I carefully used the word INFLUENCE rather than direct RULE, because of my limited historic knowledge and its accuracy.

Of course the accuracy depends on comprehensive comparative study of historic documents to ensure names, regions and dates are consistently mentioned to be accurate.

If your knowledge is directly from history books, then your claim is substantial and I leave it to you to educate us further.

[Manzareh]

i dont mind you to be a punjabistani slave and continueing your mujra culture in swat as it is happening nowadays.
im just telling yout that your attacks on Afghanistan are based on fables.
you attack Afghanistan because you are simply weak and pathetic. you keep on lying even though your lies are exposed. i have presented my arguments backed with evidence while all you do is back up kabulzada and his faulty sources ,the same kabulzada from whom you were crying that on tajikam they are talking about killing pashtuns.

the problem with people such as you is that your brain is on lock and cant and will never be honest when debating about Afghanistan because you are suffering from "hey look there are mroe pashtuns on this side so pashtuns mean pakistani".

i can present you tons of farsiwaans who speak pashto ,sing pashto etc but it is of no use since you are a dishonest person who's sole purpose is to defend his slave mentality by claiming that Afghanistan is not pashtun country.

i have previously mentioned a couple of examples of Afghanistan and pashto but seems you have overlooked them simply because truth is too hard for you to swallow.

i didnt claim that pashto has its rightful status in Afghanistan , but its in a better position thn before ,it has to do with many factors. Neither do i support the oppression of other people and their language to uplift pashto.

but what is truth is that pashto has no status in pakistan and you are defending that.

we live with different ethnicities because we live with them in our land created by our ancesters together with these people while pukhtunkhwa is our land stolen and forcefully merged with the new born british creation.
never compare pathetic country like pakistan with great Afghanistan.

also try to learn pashto before boosting about its importance.

You wrote all that but still avoided the question LOL. All you did was put false accusations forward like a child and reply to things I didn't even say.

[rednwhite99]

here is your reply for quoting me

karan khan from pukhtunkhwa
Pashto SonG - Zama Gran Gran AfghanistaNa - Karan Khan - YouTube

i can tell u some songs too like msuharaf bangash sang a song about pakhtunhawa in which he mentioned cities of kpk and at the end he expressed his love abt pakistan in the concert
but then musharaf bangash sang a song about afghanistan just for the afghan pashtun audience. he named every city of afghanistan in it and showed his love but he never named peshawar, swat, etc kpk cities in it . if he was v afghan loving he wud have named these cities as part of afghanistan
secondly khayesta afghanistan by zeek afridi it just mentions how beautiful afghanistan is ..he has got a song for pakistan too more loving one
nazia iqbal has got a similar song like musharaf bangash .
they sing for pashtuns in afghanistan ,, pashtuns have same blood in pakistan and afghanistan by singing a song for afghanistan doesnt explain that they hate pakistan ..
i can tell u tons where they have sung for pakistan ..
singers are the worst example we can choose
Afghan term is not even known by the anp supporters who are the nationalists ..in his speech when he mentions afghan he has to explain he meant pashtun by the word afghan as the crowd holds a big question mark over there head.. to the pashtuns in pakistan if u mention the word afghan they wud assume the refugees

[KGODB]

yes maybe we were conquered but only maybe the pashtuns on this part were trying to defend the pashtuns on the other side i.e ur forefathers..

There is no evidence to suggest Pashtuns from the Lar side actively participated in the defence of Kabul, Ghazni or Kandahar. There is no source or documentation confirming a significant mobilization of Pashtuns from the Lar side to the Bar side during any of the first two Anglo-Afghan wars

but not believing something that is true is completely wrong..sold is the word that amir used ,,amir of afghanistan was not a high profile person ,he signed a contract after being defeated in the 3rd war with british and in order to protect himself he sold this part on a condition that british wudnt involve in afghanistans matter no more ..

I understand you lack education and knowledge on this subject, because I dont expect Pakistani officials to educate its Pashtuns thoroughly. Find me one proof that Amir Abdul Rahman Khan, either in the Durand Agreement or his own Autobiography where he used the word "sold"

Also Amir Amanullah Khan led the Afghan side in the 3rd Anglo Afghan war. Your knowledge is severely lacking

the first two wars were won only because of the pata pashtuns not the pashtuns that reside in afghanistan at the moment..

yara, any idiot can make things up. There is not a single shred of evidence that supports what youre saying. How can the Pashtuns of Peshawar and it surrounding area engineer the defeat of British soldiers in Afghanistan?

u cant deny that all the great personlities amongst pashtuns are from this side of the border..

Im not interested in a stupid debate about which side gave more to Pashtuns. Especially when the distinction between the sides came centuries after these figures. Stupid people engage in stupid talk.

these pashtuns gave english hardtime and that is why amir knew that these pashtuns have lost war against english so bfr he looses all of the afghanistan to english he sold this land.. so u shud thank fata and kpk it gave the qurbani or other wise u wud have been fighting for independance too mate

I dont doubt that Wazirs and Mehsuds gave the English a hard time, not too sure about the others, but I dont judge them regardless. The Amir could not sell something he didnt own. Those lands were already lost. The British asked for a demarcation of spheres of influence and non interference, which the Amir Abdul Rahman as a shred ruler agreed to as he had no other choice

If you need further re education, please let me know yara

[rednwhite99]

There is no evidence to suggest Pashtuns from the Lar side actively participated in the defence of Kabul, Ghazni or Kandahar. There is no source or documentation confirming a significant mobilization of Pashtuns from the Lar side to the Bar side during any of the first two Anglo-Afghan wars



I understand you lack education and knowledge on this subject, because I dont expect Pakistani officials to educate its Pashtuns thoroughly. Find me one proof that Amir Abdul Rahman Khan, either in the Durand Agreement or his own Autobiography where he used the word "sold"

Also Amir Amanullah Khan led the Afghan side in the 3rd Anglo Afghan war. Your knowledge is severely lacking



yara, any idiot can make things up. There is not a single shred of evidence that supports what youre saying. How can the Pashtuns of Peshawar and it surrounding area engineer the defeat of British soldiers in Afghanistan?



Im not interested in a stupid debate about which side gave more to Pashtuns. Especially when the distinction between the sides came centuries after these figures. Stupid people engage in stupid talk.



I dont doubt that Wazirs and Mehsuds gave the English a hard time, not too sure about the others, but I dont judge them regardless. The Amir could not sell something he didnt own. Those lands were already lost. The British asked for a demarcation of spheres of influence and non interference, which the Amir Abdul Rahman as a shred ruler agreed to as he had no other choice

If you need further re education, please let me know yara

Yeah ofcourse bro coz british had helicopters with them they didnt fight against the kpk pashtuns except they flew directly over kpk to ghazni and kandhar to fight the bravest pashtuns there.....kpk pashtuns fata pashtuns didnt fight but u guys did as it is clearly visible how strong u have been against the dari influence over u people

[Registerwal]

yes maybe we were conquered but only maybe the pashtuns on this part were trying to defend the pashtuns on the other side i.e ur forefathers..
but not believing something that is true is completely wrong..sold is the word that amir used ,,amir of afghanistan was not a high profile person ,he signed a contract after being defeated in the 3rd war with british and in order to protect himself he sold this part on a condition that british wudnt involve in afghanistans matter no more ..
the first two wars were won only because of the pata pashtuns not the pashtuns that reside in afghanistan at the moment.. u cant deny that all the great personlities amongst pashtuns are from this side of the border..
these pashtuns gave english hardtime and that is why amir knew that these pashtuns have lost war against english so bfr he looses all of the afghanistan to english he sold this land.. so u shud thank fata and kpk it gave the qurbani or other wise u wud have been fighting for independance too mate

read history and let aside your fable stories. Unfortunately we are fooled by our own people about our own history... so sad.

[KGODB]

Yeah ofcourse bro coz british had helicopters with them they didnt fight against the kpk pashtuns except they flew directly over kpk to ghazni and kandhar to fight the bravest pashtuns there.....

The British mobilized their forces from what is today considered Pakistan. I dont understand your pathetic attempt at sarcasm. No resistance was mounted from your side

The Baloch put up resistance though

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Anglo-Afghan_War

kpk pashtuns fata pashtuns didnt fight but u guys did as it is clearly visible how strong u have been against the dari influence over u people

Shereena I understand youre frustrated and your Pakistani studies course has failed you but dont be too upset and start changing the subject. If you want to have a discussion on Dari we can do so. We can talk about how Dari was your fore fathers lingua franca as well, until the British told them to speak Urdu instead

[Registerwal]

p.23 (Sir Mortimer Durand´s letter to Abdurrahman)
''[…] in repelling it, provided that Your Highness followed unreservedly the advise of the British Government in regard to your external relations.
I have the honour to inform Your Highness that this assurance remains in force, and that it is applicable with regard to any territory which may come into your possession in consequencee of the agreement which you have made with me to-day in the matter of the Oxus frontier.
It is the desire of the British Government that such portion of the northern frontier of Afghanistan as has not yet been marked out should now be clearly defined, when this has been done, the whole of Your Highness´s frontier towards the side of Russia will be equally free from doubt and equally secure.''
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Translation (from Persian to English) of a speech which His Highness the Amir of Afghanistan made at a public Darbar at Kabol before the members of the Mission and other persons who were present there on Monday , the 3rd of Jamadi-al-Awal 1311 II (13. Nov. 1893)
''At first it is necessary and proper that I and you and all the people of Afghanistan should,with immense delight, express our gratitude for this blessed occasion. All the nations and countries have made arrangements and taken meassures? according to their requirements and necessity of the time; but no arrangements satisfactory and suitable for the occassion and requisite for these times existed in Afghanistan. Consequencely during this period of about fourteen years I, who am your present Amir, have, as is well-known to you all, done my best by deeds and words, so far as it lay in human power and endeavours, to settle and improve your condition without any stint on my part.
Praise be to God, I have brought matters to such a pass that I have found for you a fit friend and partner in gain and loss. Since during these times each country has allied and united itself with friends in opposition to its enemies, it is therefore necessary for you, the people of Afghanistan, to find a sincere friend, because it is most difficult to be secure from your enemies without your having friends. All countries have enemies of all sorts and friends of every descripton. Some enemies have designs against your country, some against your lives, and others against your property. But on this happy occassion it is not desirable to give a detailed account of friends and foes; but you are well aware of the saying of wise men, riz.?, that ''the remedy for an incident should be applied before its occurrence'', because if the remedy is not applied before its occurrence, it is extremely difficult, may even impossible, to repel it and apply any remedy to it where it has occured.
If during this period of more than thirteen years, since I have come to this country, you had, as they deserved, listened to my words and approved them all, numerous needfull arrangements and a thorough state of order world have been established. But you, as a nation, were accustomed to such habits and usages, and brought up in such a manner, that in a family a father was not concord with his son, and disagreement prevailed in every house; consequently I was put to a great deal of trouble, and much timer was spent before I unsucceded in reclaiming you from your pernacious habits and customs.
This day the matter has come to a point. Before this you could have been put to confusion and ruin, and there was no one to sympathise and redress your wrongs. Hereafter, God be praised, you will not be easily put to confusion and ruined, and you have acquired a proper and sympatethic friend, who will, when evil times overtake you, sympathise with you, and will be friendly help, call your enemy to account.


p.25 (Abdurrahman´s letter about the agreement)
''the distribution of the boundary has been settled as followed:
firstly, as regards the tract of our country on this side of the Oxus, which the Russians had occupied, and its place we have occupied a tract of country on the other side of the Oxus, Sdir Mortimer Durand promised that the tract of country on the other side of the river, being the right of Russia, would be given to Russia, and that the tract of country on this side of the Oxus, which is the right of Afghanistan, would be handed over to me, and that a settlement with Russia would be made accordingly. I have also accepted this proposal, as I considered it proper. Then a map was drawn and given to me, showing the boundary line from limits of Chanak on this side. It also includes Kafiristan as far as Asmar and as far as the waters which run to Kunar, and which formerly belonged to Kunar, and as far as the mountains which runs in the direction of Shurtan and the Mohmand tribesmen, and so on as far as the limit of Seistan which is known as ''Koh-i-Malik Siah'', about which, in the time of Amir Sher Ali Khan, there was a discussion, and about which you may have heard.
A settlement has been effectedf in the above manner.
I have given up Waziris, who were disobedient. They have given me also Birmal which is close to Jadran; and in this way the whole frontier has been distributed as far as Seistan. Hereafter Commissioners from both sides will be appointed, in order to seperate the rights to lands of the subjects of both sides, and to erect pillars and durable marks along the boundary line. Sir Mortimer Durand has given me an agreement signed by himself, declaring that at no time will any interference be made by the officials of the illustrious British Government in the country of this side of the boundary line; and Ihave also given an agreement that at no time will any interference be made by us also in the country on the other side of our frontier; because the enemy of both of us is identical, and we should act in concord. The agreementswere signed yesterday. I now inform and warn you that, without this friend (the British)m there is no help, and you will experience nothing from the hands of this permanent friend, except that you will receive aid in men, money, arms and ammunition, and help in rendering Afghanistan strong and powerful.
Assuredly I greet you with the good news, and make known to you that, God willing, great benefits and countless advantages will accrue to you from this friendship.''
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Note- After this speech of His Highness, all the tribesmen of Afghanistan presented an address to His Highness the Amir, expressing their delight and approval of the settlment effected: and His Highness read it out in a loud voice during the Darbar (in the Parsee language). The above address in original is apprended to His Highness´s speech.
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Translation (from Persian to English) of the written address of the people of Afghanistan presented to his Highness at the public Darbar on the 13th of November 1893.
''May we become a sacrifice to Your Highness´s blessed and magnanimous person!
We, your Highness´s servants and all the people, high and low of Islam, do declare that it is beyond our power to adequately express our thanks to the King, who is just and of pure faith and religion, for the innumerable favours and kindnesses received by us.
Firstly - According to the rule of the great religion of Muhammad (may God be gracious to him), it is incumbent on us to be obedient and thankful to the King of Islam; and the sacred person of the King, who is the defender of the religion, is a great strenght and immense benefit to all the people.
Secondly – Leaving the above consideration aside during this period of eighty years, including our forefathers, have been nourished by the kindnesses

[Khyber Pass]

What is this nonsense.
100% of Karlani Pashtuns are not in paksitan and 90% of Pashtun tribes are also not in Pakistan.
national anthem is not in dari
national speech is not in dari
media is not completely in dari

your a moron
Pak Pashtuns with the exceptions of FATA Pashtun are considered baighyrat is because they submitted to the brits and fought and still is fighting FATA Pashtuns and afghan Pashtuns as mercenaries for the Brits.

Not all Hillmen tribe of Pashtuns submitted to the British... that's a false generalization.

[Kushan Prince]

Seriously who the hell are these trolls?!!! Stop trying to split pashtuns apart because nobody is buying into this stupid propaganda. Aryan Sakazai I know it's you bro now stop trolling!

Hope the Admin locks this dumb thread. This is nothing but to make pashtuns turn against eachother.