why are afghan pashtuns now called kabuli?true pashtun are pakistan or afghan pashtun

[khushal]

how come they are considered the richest and most important ANA is made up of them.

when i asked a afghan in a yet another forum is to why tajik are in majority in ANA..he said because pashtuns might have soft heart for the fellow pashtun taliban

now tell me wtf is this?

if they are in north than get seperated from them.

i dont dream of impossibles

no, the truth is that Tajiks, Hazaras, Uzbeks sided with the invader. The invader put them in the place that they are in. The most organized Pashtun group was the Taliban and the invader wanted them out. The Taliban are still the most organized Pashtun group in Afghanistan. The commie nationalist Pashtuns died with Najib, they are gone.

[khushal]

indeed.

common sense aswell.karlani in majority are in pakistan.

of the total 10millions pashtuns living in afghanistan.2millions of them are registered as refugees in pakistan while 2-3millions are living illegal in kpk

making the total population of pashtuns living in afghan below 10millions
while as per latest studies there are 35millions pashtuns in pakistan alone

making all of the historic major tribes of pashtuns

your numbers are wrong.
the Pashtun population in Afghanistan is around 18 million.
there are about 2 million legal and illegal afghans still living in Pakistan.

True that 66% of Pashtuns are in paksitan but most of you guys are urduized.
Even listening to malalai UN speech. I could here the Urdu accent in her speaking.

[rednwhite99]

What do you mean. didn't he say he was a michen kheil which is a marwat. What else did he say he was. I have only read he is marwat.

i know him from this forum,defence pk and many more ..when he started using these forums he mentioned he is from peshwar, the next he went to being from kandhar then he went to marwat then he went to being a ghilzai ,,and yes he represented swat too ..
i doubt he is pashtun ..he always conceals his identity he knows pashto but being from all these places is just plain stupidity

[ډګروال]

[MENTION=1547]khushal[/MENTION] you are wasting your time on a bunch of defencepk morons who came here to disturb this forum.
the guy isnt from waziristan and the other guy isnt going to get married to a pathan kundi.
they are just being provocative pakis suffering from some sort of mental disorder.
they cant understand that all of their anti pashtun unity efferts will only backfire on them.

In this ramadan all they do is try to provoke us , typical of shaitan behaviour.

[Haris]

indeed.

common sense aswell.karlani in majority are in pakistan.

of the total 10millions pashtuns living in afghanistan.2millions of them are registered as refugees in pakistan while 2-3millions are living illegal in kpk

making the total population of pashtuns living in afghan below 10millions
while as per latest studies there are 35millions pashtuns in pakistan alone

making all of the historic major tribes of pashtuns

But you see Da Bannu Mazdigar, neither your "solid authentic source" nor what you just wrote (assuming that it is even accurate) prove your claim that 100% of Karlanri Pashtuns are in Pakistan.

You have the nerve to demand solid authentic sources when you cannot prove your own initial claim.


If you aren't willing to take this seriously then that's fine by me, I won't try to engage in a historical discussion with you.

You can have your political discussion/rants with the other members here.
I'll even move the thread to Political Talk to help you along if you want.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

[MENTION=1547]khushal[/MENTION] you are wasting your time on a bunch of defencepk morons who came here to disturb this forum.
the guy isnt from waziristan and the other guy isnt going to get married to a pathan kundi.
they are just being provocative pakis suffering from some sort of mental disorder.
they cant understand that all of their anti pashtun unity efferts will only backfire on them.

In this ramadan all they do is try to provoke us , typical of shaitan behaviour.

Well having no intention of disturbing this forum.
rather believe in united pashtuns on both sides of the border

but my query is valid.

As you know pashtuns are loyal to there country.Since we fall under pakistan now.we should be loyal to pakistan

meanwhile here are some member calling pakistan as porkistan.

[rednwhite99]

The places where Tajiks reside in the north is Tajik land, you cant kick them out. Ahmed shah Abdali ruled them and annexed them to Afghanistan. Like I said go get an education.

Plus What is pashtunistan, forget this non sense. think big , don't think small. Think Hindustan, Pakistan, Afghanistan Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Turkemistan and all the other stans into one federal unit. That would be ideal. The Europeans are unifying and your thinking about dividing. You are truly mentally colonized.

u know this wud be the best idea but hindustan shudnt be there because being a hindu country ..rest i think shud be there and the name can be made in such a manner that they represent all these countries..i wish one day this can happen and we can show the arabs that ajams are the most strongest and u have to come n beg for help from us ..
but we need to remove hatred amongst us as ethnic hatred...muslims are suffering from it
one country
APTUTISTAN
A= Afghanistan because afghanistan suffered alot so first letter for afghanistan
p= pakistan
T=tajikistan
U=uzbekistan
T= Turkemanistan
or maybe be AJMIA(land of the Ajams)

That would be the best day of my life

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

i dont understand the double standard of the pashtuns of afghanistan

they call pakistani pashtuns as influence by urdu and having a similar culture to hindu or punjabi

while they themselves are influenced by dari.everything in afghanistan is now in farsi.

both farsi and urdu are not the indigenous language of pashtuns

than why this double standard.

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i dont understand the double standard of the pashtuns of afghanistan

they call pakistani pashtuns as influence by urdu and having a similar culture to hindu or punjabi

while they themselves are influenced by dari.everything in afghanistan is now in farsi.

both farsi and urdu are not the indigenous language of pashtuns

than why this double standard.

what you just wrote is totally false.

if i tell you what is false and what is accurate,would you than understand?
or will you keep on acting ignorant?

as far as i can tell you are just being provocative and making the most absurd claims.

[rednwhite99]

[MENTION=1547]khushal[/MENTION] you are wasting your time on a bunch of defencepk morons who came here to disturb this forum.
the guy isnt from waziristan and the other guy isnt going to get married to a pathan kundi.
they are just being provocative pakis suffering from some sort of mental disorder.
they cant understand that all of their anti pashtun unity efferts will only backfire on them.

In this ramadan all they do is try to provoke us , typical of shaitan behaviour.

Well if i marry ..do u have a problem..
well tury is in my blood which is the best pashtun tribe for me the best the best the best the best .. and kundi is going to be my wife mashallah ..i dont have to prove to u .
hate me for whatever i said as if i care ..

[rednwhite99]

i dont understand the double standard of the pashtuns of afghanistan

they call pakistani pashtuns as influence by urdu and having a similar culture to hindu or punjabi

while they themselves are influenced by dari.everything in afghanistan is now in farsi.

both farsi and urdu are not the indigenous language of pashtuns

than why this double standard.

its completely true.. one of my frend is from paktia and he speaks dari and he says he understands bits of pashto but cant speak pashto...
name afghanistan is on word afghan which was introduced by persians..why wasnt it called pashtunistan

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Well if i marry ..do u have a problem..
well tury is in my blood which is the best pashtun tribe for me the best the best the best the best .. and kundi is going to be my wife mashallah ..i dont have to prove to u .
hate me for whatever i said as if i care ..

i have nothing to discuss with you.

[rednwhite99]

Well having no intention of disturbing this forum.
rather believe in united pashtuns on both sides of the border

but my query is valid.

As you know pashtuns are loyal to there country.Since we fall under pakistan now.we should be loyal to pakistan

meanwhile here are some member calling pakistan as porkistan.

mate the ones calling pakistan porkistan are not the representatives of all afghan pashtuns..its just couple of people on internet ..
the afghan pashtuns in real life dont hate pakistan to this extent..pakistan is like their second home and they know that and we will love them like our brothers. i hope one day they can compare the attitude of iran towards them with the attitude of pakistan towards them and for once these internet afghan pashtuns can say something good about pakistan

[Manzareh]

Afghanistan is dominated by Persian, KPK is dominated by Urdu..The difference is KPK is part of a Urdu country and are only a minority so what do you expect, however Afghanistan is suppose to be a Pashtun country so there is no excuse for them to be Persianized. Pashtuns from Afg celebrate nawroz which is a Persian special day but tell me which Persian celebrates a Pashtun special day in Afg? Is there even one?

Pashtuns in KPK can all count in Pashto but they count in the national language of the country, its not a Pashtun country. In the afghan government everything has to be approved by Persians, all major literature is Persian literature (government/jobs etc I'm not talking about news shows or television) Pashto is only dominant in rural areas where there is a stronghold of Pashto but that's about it. When a Pashtun from KPK says he doesn't like or want any affiliation with Afghanistan people get offended, unless they make Afghanistan into a Pashtun country why should KPK Pashtuns want to align themselves with a Persian one.

And as for Pashtuns in KPK calling afghans Kabuli or Kabulyaan its because its the capital city, when a Pashtun from UK goes to KPK they call them "Londonder" even though they might not live anywhere near London but its the capital city.

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Afghanistan is dominated by Persian,

a lie to make yourself feel good comparing to pakistan.

KPK is dominated by Urdu.

this is true except for the Afghans living there.Afghan schools are in pashto and dari.
the extreme majority of people do speak pashto but the institutions are exclusively urdu.

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The difference is KPK is part of a Urdu country and are only a minority so what do you expect,

pukhtunkhwa and not kap or nwfp is a Pashtun country belonging to Afghanistan. you are just trying to find an excuse for your lack of Pashto and pashto.

however Afghanistan is suppose to be a Pashtun country so there is no excuse for them to be Persianized.

who says Afghanistan is persianised? and we also aent pakis to oppress other people's languages like it has been done to you. you are suffering from the same from which the jews are suffering.they were oppressed by nazis and they went on to oppress the palestinians.

Pashtuns from Afg celebrate nawroz which is a Persian special day but tell me which Persian celebrates a Pashtun special day in Afg? Is there even one?

why do you alsways says persians when there are more ethnicities in Afghanistan.They also celeberate ,matter of fact they are following Pashtunwali aka afghanyath. unlike pakistan or punjabistan we dont oppress other people's language and culture.

Pashtuns in KPK can all count in Pashto but they count in the national language of the country, its not a Pashtun country.

you know damn well they cant count in pashto.
except for the tribals and people who know about their afghan identity and care.its not a pashtun country? thats just an excuse for weak and pathetic people.

In the afghan government everything has to be approved by Persians,

this must be a joke,even though i do not consider afghan government as representative of the Afghan people(all ethnicities including pashtuns) still your this statement is based on a lie.

all major literature is Persian literature (government/jobs etc I'm not talking about news shows or television)

people have their literature.
what do you want us to do? burn down all the persian literature?
government is all in pashto,almost all the names of the institutions are in pashto,almost all the terminology is in pashto.
even the persian tvs have to have enough pashto let alone the exclusively pashto tv channels.

Pashto is only dominant in rural areas where there is a stronghold of Pashto but that's about it.

pure lie,why do you lie so much in ramamdan?

When a Pashtun from KPK says he doesn't like or want any affiliation with Afghanistan people get offended, unless they make Afghanistan into a Pashtun country why should KPK Pashtuns want to align themselves with a Persian one.

Afghanistan is greater than a fascist state you are invisioning.
you remind me of the account of when Moses brought the bani israel to palestine they didnt want to enter and and asked Moses to slaughter all the inhabitants first than they will enter.
no matter how much people such as you make excuses they wont work on lar aw bar pukhtana.

And as for Pashtuns in KPK calling afghans Kabuli or Kabulyaan its because its the capital city, when a Pashtun from UK goes to KPK they call them "Londonder" even though they might not live anywhere near London but its the capital city.

kabuli is a the original inhabitants of kabul,they can be pashtun or farsiwaan.
even though i was born and raised in kabul still i or others dont call me kabuli.

having said all that i still think pashto needs more elevation even though it has reached a great height in the last 2 decades.