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  • #91
    Originally posted by Mayana View Post

    With verbs that express wishes, possibilities, necessity, doubts, emotions etc. the subjunctive sense has to be used.. just like in French or Spanish.. maybe in Arabic as well? I'm not sure, I don't speak Arabic lol
    in Proper Arabic it would be "madaa tareed 3an ta3amoul?"

    in lebanese or palestinian Arabic they would say "sho bithel bidek/bidak?

    in Yemeni from the area of 7adramout they would say "ash tifeddel tif3al? "

    the 3 (ayn) and 7 (ha) represent Arabic letters.

    They expressing wishes doesn't have a special tense like for example if you say "May Allah guard you" you simply say "Allah yi7afethak/yi7afethik"

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    • #92
      Yeah, some languages use subjunctive tense, some don't. English and German for instance don't have a distinct tense for it anymore, they just use the conjunctive tense. Other languages, like French and Spanish have a distinct tense for it.

      Daa zma lewanay Zrra gorah, daa sta lewanee Mina..
      Za ba da Sahra warnakam da Iran pa Golestan,
      Dalta za yao & yakta yam, halta zar zma pa Shaan
      .

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      • #93
        do you study linguistics?

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        • #94
          No, I don't. Just a nerd for languages

          Daa zma lewanay Zrra gorah, daa sta lewanee Mina..
          Za ba da Sahra warnakam da Iran pa Golestan,
          Dalta za yao & yakta yam, halta zar zma pa Shaan
          .

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          • #95
            LOL; but your nerdery has keen usage of academic terminology.

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            • #96
              I just had excellent language arts teachers in school.

              Daa zma lewanay Zrra gorah, daa sta lewanee Mina..
              Za ba da Sahra warnakam da Iran pa Golestan,
              Dalta za yao & yakta yam, halta zar zma pa Shaan
              .

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              • #97
                BTW in your dialect of Pakhto do they shorten words in the subjunctive tense

                for example saying "wakey" instead of "wakawey"?

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by Mayana View Post
                  I just had excellent language arts teachers in school.

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                  • #99
                    We do say "wakai" and I've never heard of "wakawai" and it'd sound wrong to me as kawal is conjugated irregularly.

                    Daa zma lewanay Zrra gorah, daa sta lewanee Mina..
                    Za ba da Sahra warnakam da Iran pa Golestan,
                    Dalta za yao & yakta yam, halta zar zma pa Shaan
                    .

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                    • Originally posted by Mayana View Post
                      We do say "wakai" and I've never heard of "wakawai" and it'd sound wrong to me as kawal is conjugated irregularly.
                      in many Mashreqi dialects it's conjugated as "kawey" and "kawum" and "kawi"

                      we say Kawum/Kawi/Kawey, why does the Qandahari dialect abandon the "w"?

                      Perhaps this will give me certain insights as to why certain phrasings differ between regions.

                      My clan is of Qandahari origins but migrated Eastward after we lost Qandahar to the Abdali 300 years ago.

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                      • Originally posted by ScimitarXEdge View Post
                        in many Mashreqi dialects it's conjugated as "kawey" and "kawum" and "kawi"

                        we say Kawum/Kawi/Kawey, why does the Qandahari dialect abandon the "w"?

                        Perhaps this will give me certain insights as to why certain phrasings differ between regions.
                        Hmm
                        For the present tense, we do say Kawam, Kaweh, Kawi. A colloquial variation of this is Kawam Kayeh Kayi. It's just easier to form a y-sound than it is to form a w-sound in this case because 'K' is formed in the back and so is the y-sound.. as opposed to w which is formed in the front of your mouth by moving your lips. I assume that's how this variation formed. But like I said, it's just colloquial; formally it still is kawam, kaweh, kawi.

                        For the subjunctive sense we say Wakam, Wakeh, Waki.

                        Daa zma lewanay Zrra gorah, daa sta lewanee Mina..
                        Za ba da Sahra warnakam da Iran pa Golestan,
                        Dalta za yao & yakta yam, halta zar zma pa Shaan
                        .

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                        • Originally posted by Mayana View Post
                          Hmm
                          For the present tense, we do say Kawam, Kaweh, Kawi. A colloquial variation of this is Kawam Kayeh Kayi. It's just easier to form a y-sound than it is to form a w-sound in this case because 'K' is formed in the back and so is the y-sound.. as opposed to w which is formed in the front of your mouth by moving your lips. I assume that's how this variation formed. But like I said, it's just colloquial; formally it still is kawam, kaweh, kawi.

                          For the subjunctive sense we say Wakam, Wakeh, Waki.
                          My Pakhto knowledge is not nearly as detailed as yours; I can speak it but like I said I have gaps, most people don't seem to notice too much difference when I speak to them in Pakhto, except that I have a thick American accent.

                          Getting back to our examples

                          I hear "Khudai di wadan waki" and "wakawi".....do you speak Pakhto mainly with Qandahari/Helmand/Zabul people?

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                          • I speak Pashto mainly with people from the South although I hear a lot of the Eastern dialect as well on TV and such.
                            We usually say "Khodai di waki chi...." as in "May God.. " but I've never heard wakawi =/

                            Daa zma lewanay Zrra gorah, daa sta lewanee Mina..
                            Za ba da Sahra warnakam da Iran pa Golestan,
                            Dalta za yao & yakta yam, halta zar zma pa Shaan
                            .

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                            • Originally posted by Mayana View Post
                              I speak Pashto mainly with people from the South although I hear a lot of the Eastern dialect as well on TV and such.
                              We usually say "Khodai di waki chi...." as in "May God.. " but I've never heard wakawi =/
                              Cool; well I want to understand why some people say it the way I do, is it just ignorance or slang or just corruption due to straying from the original dialect, or just me not understanding things in their proper context.

                              I read Qandahari is the proper Pakhto.

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                              • Pohand Abdul Hai Habibi disagrees.

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