Why all terrorists are Pashtuns?

[BarakzaiAbdali]

I wish one reads this again on the matter of Hoh and make mone sown judgment how insignificant this fellow is who has been so extensively quoted and presented exageratedly to win an argument in internet forums and sinking in oblivion the crystal clear reality on the other side of the picture. One will take these foreign names and links serious if there is no substance inside.Its just a hollow dummy looking very impressive from oputside but having no real substance inside.

Hoh accepted a position as a 3161 contractor with the State Department, which is a temporary, non-permanent assignment to a Foreign Service Officer position.Therefore, members of the diplomatic community were disappointed that his dissent was characterized as that of a career FSO, which would carry considerably more weight.

Additionally, Hoh served a total of four months in Afghanistan, casting significant doubt about his credibility as an authoritative source of information about the war in Afghanistan. Hoh has been criticized by his former colleagues and others for using a temporary position to launch what some see as a self-promoting career as a war critic.

To date, no Foreign Service Officer has resigned in protest over U.S. policy in Afghanistan.We should draw a distinction between his situation and somebody who had been in the Foreign Service and had a stake in the Foreign Service for 20 years or more."

You just see the case of one civilian officer so serious and dont see the hundreds of other Foreign service officers and army officers who are working in Afghanistan for years not few months. Do you see any other similar case like that of Hoh who just cashed the opportunity to become famous or notorious. He is indeed a shrewd person.but at the same time stupid as he considers the Congress, the Obama administration and all others serving in Afghanistan as crazy but himself a wise one who resigns from the otherwise temporary service. If the ambassador of USA in Afghanistan resigns or even a counsellor or thirs decretary then I ll take it serious but not at all a civil contractor. No doubt he might have been interviewed by important persons but it does not make his standpoint correct.

Even his position is critical of the strategy but he is not at all in favour of terrorism, Alqaida and taliban.

Even if the whole government of USA does what Hoh did, will not make Taliban and Alqaida justified on the soil of Afghanistan. they are the embodiment of evil and barbarism. We should be thankful to the USA and others who are playing their part to annihilate these enemies of humanity and civilization.

Again one Indian diplomat criticism does not make a big difference. In international law and relations Karzai and his government has full international recognition including that of United Nations.There may be corruption and other problems but where we dont have these problems. Even in the developed world and the whole so called Islamic world you see these problems. It does not make a government invalid. Otherwise the whole world has to resign and we should make one pure Khilafat lead by Abdali.

Illogic is the bastion of Osho and believing that repetition can overcome fact appears to be that bastion's foundation. **** Cheyney does the same thing... if you watch him, he will repeat the same claims about Iraq that were debunked years ago... it appears he also belongs to this flat earth society.

Once again, Mr. Kelly, of the state department clarifies regarding the the issue of 3161 and Matt, but you did not read, therefore you did not grasp what was before you:

MR. KELLY: It’s – there is a provision of the Foreign Service Act that gives the Secretary the right to designate certain positions as limited with a time certain end date in order to fill positions that have not been filled through the normal Foreign Service process. And so this was one of them. We have, I think a total in the world, about 16 of these type appointments. It’s not – it’s fairly rare.
QUESTION: Is that the same thing as the 3161 or is that different?
MR. KELLY: No, that’s different.


Also, I addressed the issue of 4 months versus 6 months versus 12 years. As I noted it appears that Mr. Karzai for instance grew up a reasonable number of years in Afghanistan proper... yet this does not appear to have translated into a resolve to his his countrymen needed him most in the fight against Russia. Instead, like every chicken hawk here who left Matt to fight the fight in Iraq, he sat comfortably in Quetta munching on sugared almonds and drinking green tea. Re-read my original post, I wont spam here as I soundly rebutted this issue.

Regarding Matt, his fame, and his profit... you were also rebutted above.... read Osho... just like the Quran says: "Iqraa"! It helps, trust me.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

I also did not see any brebuttal of these lines

Also he writes in his 4 pages resignation letter that the insurgency is because of Pashtuns who are illiterate, rural, religious, traditional versus others who are secular, modern, educated and urban.

And Hoh thinks that

"There are plenty of dudes who need to be killed," he said of al-Qaeda and the Taliban. "I was never more happy than when our Iraq team whacked a bunch of guys."

He further says that While the Taliban is a malign presence, and Pakistan-based al-Qaeda needs to be confronted, he said, the United States is asking its troops to die in Afghanistan for what is essentially a far-off civil war.

He himself is against the devils and evils Taliban and Alqaida whom you are supporting so strongly by using his name.

You make an inference, or a series of them:

1) As I noted in the earlier posts, I wont repeat them here because I want you to work for once and actually read what I wrote, you whole argument of Matt somehow being an opportunist... yet supportive of your view involutes your whole argument in on itself (i.e. it contradicts itself). You have not reasoned or understood that of course Matt does not support the Taliban... he is doing this for America because he is an American firster. He refuses to be a fifth column citizen like you... dragging America into a war of attrition.

2) You assume I support the Taliban and Al Qaeda, which is naive. I support 2 things: the will of the Pashtun people to determine their own destiny (which has been subverted with an illigetimate President and a now illigetimate parliament). However, I also support an America that returns to its foundations and separate the republic out of the empire... as it was meant to be. That is where Matt and I see eye to eye. America need not care if 1 or a 1000 Afghans or Bolivians or Cubans or Haitians perish or worship the sun, the moon, the stars, practice secularism, democracy, etc. We have our own issues to worry about.

[graveyardofempires]

shamlawara
sama nekha de weweshta

[BarakzaiAbdali]

See Osho,

Here is what happens when you ignore reality, evidence, and logic... those three partner up and sneak up behind you and cause you to lose wars and bring misery to our adopted country.:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...021706160.html

Most interesting was this comment form Kabul of all places, which spells bad news for you:

"Under the weathered blue dome of Kabul's largest mosque, a distinguished preacher, Enayatullah Balegh, pledged support for "any plan that can defeat" foreign military forces in Afghanistan, denouncing what he called "the political power of these children of Jews."
Across town, a firebrand imam named Habibullah was even more blunt.
'Let these jackals leave this country," the preacher, who uses only one name, declared of foreign troops. "Let these brothers of monkeys, gorillas and pigs leave this country. The people of Afghanistan should determine their own fate.'"

It was a comment by Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) - calling for permanent U.S. bases in Afghanistan - that set Habibullah, the firebrand imam, off.

"There are some nut cases with pro-West and pro-infidel ideas who are urging President Karzai to accept the Americans' offer," he said last Friday. "But no matter how well protected these people are in the arms of foreigners, they should know that God will take revenge on them and turn their bones and flesh into dried spiderweb powder."
He grew increasingly agitated, at times shouting into the microphone. The Afghans who support the U.S. troops, he said, "don't have the patriotism of street animals."
"We brothers are Muslims and worship one God," he concluded. "Let us hug each other."
Two elderly men in the front row nodded in appreciation. "God bless you," they told Habibullah. "God bless you."

One wonders whether the American people will be allowed to hold you accountable for beckoning them to utter ruination to us.

[Badlun]

Lets WIND up the issue of the significance of Mr Hoh. If the Ambassador of USA resigns then I shall take that serious.So far I have one Mr Hoh and on the other hand I have thousands others more important than him.So you follow him I follow the others who are there to strive for the cause of human rights, development, elimination of evils like terrorists and sacrificing for the greater cause of humanity.

[Badlun]

This world is now a unipolar world and that one pole is the USA, the real global super power, the largest economy of the world, the most developed nation of the world and so one. USA is not Bolivia or Philippines or even Austria or Sudan who should look after its own national interests only. We have global responsibilities and being leader of the world we must help the world to go into the direct direction. Our national problems are connected with global problems. World at peace is in the benefit of the USA. Our war is for peace,

We can discuss this issue in another thread as this thread is about the terrorists Pashtuns.

Will of the Pashtuns can only be achieved through democracy and not through Taliban and terrorism. Its good news that now Afghanistan has practising democracy.

Violent Islamic extremism is our enemy as Communism was our enemy and we have to uproot it. In this global village we cant ignore transnational factors. The problem is not that of Afghanistan or another country. Its our problem. Its our own security issue. Dont degrade the great USA to a tiny state who only exists for its own problems only. We are the world greatest nation and we must be the world most active partner not a silent spectator on the world scene.

[Badlun]

Form the same link also please see the following and be honest to recognize that Taliban are using mosques for their propaganda and there are many Mullas who favour the central government and consider the presence of foreign troops as a golden opportunity.

Afghan imams wage political battle against U.S.

Every Friday, Afghan clerics wade into the politics of their war-torn country, delivering half-hour sermons that blend Islamic teaching with often-harsh criticism of the U.S. presence. In a country where many lack newspapers, television or Internet access, the mosque lectures represent a powerful forum for influencing opinion.

With 7,100 publicly funded mosques and tens of thousands of private mosques scattered in cities and villages, it is difficult to generalize about the content of Friday sermons in Afghanistan. Nonetheless, a sampling of sermons in Kabul found that preachers often depict developments here as anti-Islamic but also are careful not to veer into open support for either warring side.

Choosing sides in the war is dangerous for Afghans, and imams are no exception. Those who preach openly in support of the Taliban risk arrest or worse. Any pro-government or pro-coalition rhetoric, particularly in rural areas where the Taliban thrives, can warrant a death sentence. In interviews, several Kabul mullahs insisted that Islam is a religion of peace and said they strive to remain neutral. Honest mullahs, they said, have a responsibility to preach against violence and terrorism.

"My sermons are mainly focused on peace, reconciliation, mutual respect and obeying the central government," said Abdul Rauf Nafi, the imam of the government-funded Herati mosque in Kabul. "In every Friday sermon, I call on people and explain to them that, look, this is a golden opportunity God has given us. Dozens of foreign countries have a presence here, and they're all here to help us take steps toward a prosperous future."

Because the Taliban is led by mullahs and seeks followers in part by casting itself as a defender of Islam, other religious leaders in Afghanistan must take the group's views into account. Several said that the Taliban's orthodox interpretation of Islam has flaws and that its reliance on funding and support from Pakistan further discredits the organization. But their arguments against the presence of foreign forces are more categorical.

"Americans are considered to be Christians and Jews."

To harness the political power of imams, Afghanistan's Ministry of Hajj and Religious Affairs sends letters to mosques each week with suggested topics for sermons. Karzai's office has long paid the Ulema Council - a collection of 3,000 mullahs - a monthly stipend in return for support for the government's agenda.

The United States has also sought to temper the mullahs' rhetoric. The U.S. Embassy in Kabul has spent millions of dollars to fly mullahs to the United States and other countries to meet Muslims outside Afghanistan in the hope of encouraging a more moderate stance. The U.S. military funds mosque refurbishment projects and is partnering with the Afghan religious affairs ministry to facilitate building an electronic database of mosques.

A senior U.S. military official said dozens of mosques in key Afghan districts are used as "command-and-control nodes" for the Taliban, places where fighters can take refuge and stash weapons.

"The Taliban has used that network of mosques to extend their message," said the official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to freely discuss U.S. intelligence information. "Many, many mosques are directly linked back to the madrassas [in Pakistan] and teachings of the Taliban."

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Lets WIND up the issue of the significance of Mr Hoh. If the Ambassador of USA resigns then I shall take that serious.So far I have one Mr Hoh and on the other hand I have thousands others more important than him.So you follow him I follow the others who are there to strive for the cause of human rights, development, elimination of evils like terrorists and sacrificing for the greater cause of humanity.

Wrong again, because you refuse to read sources that contradict you as you choose to live in a world and see things as you want them to be, not as they really are:

You simplify this issue as fighting a war versus not fighting a war. Its not that its nation building + fighting a war and doing it with the right strategy. Many American thinkers beyond Hoh, such as: Brzezinski, Graham Fuller, Chuck Hagel, Michael Scheuer, Ron Paul, Rand Paul. etc disagree with you. It also appears that Michael Steele slipped up and revealed his distaste for the war, that his now reflected in the views of the majority of Americans:

"Graham Fuller, a former CIA station chief in Kabul during the Soviet invasion, simply says that the US presence, by generating Pashtun tribal/nationalist resistance in both Afghanistan and Pakistan and driving them into the hands of the Taliban, is more the problem than the solution. In his view, more troops will only exacerbate the sense of occupation, creating more resistance. Do you agree?

Brzezinski: I generally agree with the thrust of Graham Fuller's comments. During the last two years I have been on record as skeptical about further troop deployments. Moreover, in the top-level policy discussions that preceded the US decision to intervene in Afghanistan in late October 2001, and in some of which I was invited to participate, I took the position that, while we must intervene to overthrow the Taliban regime (since it gave safe haven to Al Qaeda), after its overthrow we should not remain in Afghanistan militarily engaged in some "nation-building" exercise."

http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/...9s07-coop.html

This should worry you for a few reasons:

I've noted that most of your theory, even in that second post above derives from neoconservative thought processes espoused by the likes of Fukayama and Strauss as well as their acolytes. You should be aware that Fukayama himself has since reneged on some of his major views.

Furthermore, you appear to be in the camp of a series of folks: Bill Kristol, Normal Podohertz, Douglass Feith, Alan Dershowitz, Kagan (father and son), Dan Pipes who were advocates of democracy spreading and the Iraq War.

You refuse to accept reality and will state, quite obtusely, that Iraq is better off. Yet you will ignore that we installed Saddam and the currently installed Iraqi government has not improved Iraqi life by many a measure. Current thought appears to show treachorous movement towards a civil war of sorts now that the awakening councils are "falling asleep" again.

You also forget that the Cold War Paradigm, of fighting nation states is entirely different than fighting an insurgency that is widespread and claims no nation state.

Lets Recap:

1. You've failed to discredit Matt
2. You've allowed me to show that greater thinkers than the ones you follow blindely are against the strategy and the nation building concept of teh war
3. You read into sources, what you want them to say... which shows that you really will bend evidence to suit your fancy... or at least avoid a serious critical analysis.
4. Unfortunately, you are bound to fail and will drag America down with you.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Lets WIND up the issue of the significance of Mr Hoh. If the Ambassador of USA resigns then I shall take that serious.So far I have one Mr Hoh and on the other hand I have thousands others more important than him.So you follow him I follow the others who are there to strive for the cause of human rights, development, elimination of evils like terrorists and sacrificing for the greater cause of humanity.

Here is another credible source from the CATO foundation that deals a death blow to your argument of why we need to nationbuild:

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=3870

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Form the same link also please see the following and be honest to recognize that Taliban are using mosques for their propaganda and there are many Mullas who favour the central government and consider the presence of foreign troops as a golden opportunity.

Afghan imams wage political battle against U.S.

Every Friday, Afghan clerics wade into the politics of their war-torn country, delivering half-hour sermons that blend Islamic teaching with often-harsh criticism of the U.S. presence. In a country where many lack newspapers, television or Internet access, the mosque lectures represent a powerful forum for influencing opinion.

With 7,100 publicly funded mosques and tens of thousands of private mosques scattered in cities and villages, it is difficult to generalize about the content of Friday sermons in Afghanistan. Nonetheless, a sampling of sermons in Kabul found that preachers often depict developments here as anti-Islamic but also are careful not to veer into open support for either warring side.

Choosing sides in the war is dangerous for Afghans, and imams are no exception. Those who preach openly in support of the Taliban risk arrest or worse. Any pro-government or pro-coalition rhetoric, particularly in rural areas where the Taliban thrives, can warrant a death sentence. In interviews, several Kabul mullahs insisted that Islam is a religion of peace and said they strive to remain neutral. Honest mullahs, they said, have a responsibility to preach against violence and terrorism.

"My sermons are mainly focused on peace, reconciliation, mutual respect and obeying the central government," said Abdul Rauf Nafi, the imam of the government-funded Herati mosque in Kabul. "In every Friday sermon, I call on people and explain to them that, look, this is a golden opportunity God has given us. Dozens of foreign countries have a presence here, and they're all here to help us take steps toward a prosperous future."

Because the Taliban is led by mullahs and seeks followers in part by casting itself as a defender of Islam, other religious leaders in Afghanistan must take the group's views into account. Several said that the Taliban's orthodox interpretation of Islam has flaws and that its reliance on funding and support from Pakistan further discredits the organization. But their arguments against the presence of foreign forces are more categorical.

"Americans are considered to be Christians and Jews."

To harness the political power of imams, Afghanistan's Ministry of Hajj and Religious Affairs sends letters to mosques each week with suggested topics for sermons. Karzai's office has long paid the Ulema Council - a collection of 3,000 mullahs - a monthly stipend in return for support for the government's agenda.

The United States has also sought to temper the mullahs' rhetoric. The U.S. Embassy in Kabul has spent millions of dollars to fly mullahs to the United States and other countries to meet Muslims outside Afghanistan in the hope of encouraging a more moderate stance. The U.S. military funds mosque refurbishment projects and is partnering with the Afghan religious affairs ministry to facilitate building an electronic database of mosques.

A senior U.S. military official said dozens of mosques in key Afghan districts are used as "command-and-control nodes" for the Taliban, places where fighters can take refuge and stash weapons.

"The Taliban has used that network of mosques to extend their message," said the official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to freely discuss U.S. intelligence information. "Many, many mosques are directly linked back to the madrassas [in Pakistan] and teachings of the Taliban."

Once again you ignore the central tenant of the aricle:

Kabul. Kabul. Kabul. Its a city that most of know is not as pashtun a city as say Jalalabad. Yet, Mullahs, ones that are not on the Taliban payroll are pretty upset which should worry you about the rising renowned xenophobia of Afghans. The attempt to link one mullah to the Taliban is questioned in the article by his colleagues. The US attempted to reach out to the other Mullah and the US has not yet pinned Taliban resources or finances onto him.

Though you bold the parts about Taliban funding, which once again should worry you that they have such reach and are out in the open, you ignore the part where the imam of the Herati mosque is stated openly to be on the government payroll.

Finally, you forget an important sentence:

"In Afghanistan's mosques, American troops are derided as crusaders and occupiers. Officials with the U.S.-backed government are accused of corruption and deceit. Even in Kabul, the most modern city in an impoverished country, imams regularly denounce American troops and label as stooges their Afghan partners."

You also conveniently ignore the same sentence you bolded:

"Nonetheless, a sampling of sermons in Kabul found that preachers often depict developments here as anti-Islamic but also are careful not to veer into open support for either warring side."

Also, true to your past indiscretions with weighing data or logically applying it forget a major sentence that ought to have been in bold:

Under the weathered blue dome of Kabul's largest mosque, a distinguished preacher, Enayatullah Balegh, pledged support for "any plan that can defeat" foreign military forces in Afghanistan, denouncing what he called "the political power of these children of Jews."

**Unfortunately Osho, the issue is, in about 15 years or so (because the folks you are up against are patient, logical, intelligent, and evidence based) we will leave Afghanistan in defeat. Unlike our generals, who are not Eisenhowers or Pattons, and who appear to know how to lose wars... they are executing their strategy, lock, stock, and barrell. The sad thing is that a simple shift of strategy and an American first attitude would have saved our adopted country countless dollars and many many lives. It would also have saved many Afghan lives The question will be, will you end up doing what this gentleman did in Egypt when that happens... or will your credibility gap inhibit this?:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...021303580.html

Will you be our next Osama Saraya?

[Baygham]

.......................

Dear Osho,
if you are trying to show a born blind person what the color red is, you cant, it is impossible no matter what ploy you adopt you will be unsuccesful.
If our people were blind, than one could accept fate and move on. But this is 'hysterical blindness' that you are struggling to overcome. Though the structures are in place they are as useless as if one was born without them.
To complicate things further, pashtoons are incapable to see for a myriad of reasons. Let me dissect it a bit so we have some more insight.

The foriegn born second generation pashtoon, have major identity crises. Life at home is strickly eastern/afghan. Outside a stark contrast. Some weary of home adopt what is outside, they adopt ways of the place they are in, most do well, live in the socioeconomic bracket they were brought up in and move forward with the same frequency as any other local in that environment. Some that do well may wish to look back at watan for oppurtunity and wish things were like here over there as well.
Others try to find a reassurance in the new world of the justification of what is at home. As the only close approximation for the much scattered diaspora is a muslim mosque, some drift in that direction. Most of these mosques are wahabi funded, so they adopt this rhetoric. Life at home is harmonized with outside, but only in a pan islamic / wahabi doctrine. Few may come accross other sect but being much less funded these are rare. The world view becomes anti west and pro-saudi/wahabi. All is a western/jewish conspiricy and salafism is the answer to everything. The parents though themselves not wahabi, consider it a blessing as at least it is better than a 'bay-deen' westeranized who will bring back a western girl or boy home. Most get married back home or in local community to perpetuate the cycle. The host country and people remain a psychological enemy to be afraid of.

The other category is the expatriate pashtoons, in western countries are either linked or in afghanistan's case unlinked for long periods from watan. Those linked stay in a state of stupor, for folks back home, play all kinds of psychological, emotional and other black mail tactics to maintain a steady supply of remmitence from them. Even if professionaly successful few prosper, when children grow up, mostly confused, they fear westranization of children. They prefer a wahabi child to one dating a non muslim or even behaving like a local kid. Those without such chains can be counted on fingers amongst the millions abroad. the Gulf expatriates are too much in contact in watan, and usually ignore the hardship imposed by the arab/wahabies. They do get ahead and though at heart know the stupidity, harshness and corrumption of the wahabi arabic system, at home can become a spokeman, to facilitate local powerbase as it is congruent with powerful elements in establishment in pakistan and well funded thugs in afghanistan. do these think independently, well you tell me, can they?

The locals who are truely local, are either wishing to run away or if that is not possible, get connected to a local group that can provide some assurance in a inhospitable corrupt system. Most become foot soldiers under the authority of one thug or another. They do what is asked, all is well and good if they do it, all is bad and unwell if it is done to them. They have no uniform code of ethics or morality. They dont understand why they are doing what they do most of the time. They have tried every thing especially in pakhtunkwha and nothing has worked. In afghanistan they dont feel much enlightened either and are furthermore severly traumatized, a situation now repeating in FATA. Religion is prevelant but in the end set aside to do what needs to be done for the small subgroup they have chosen or are dumped in.


In this atmosphere, you are trying to show ideas, visions and oppurtunities nobody is willing to see, let alone incorporate and follow. For if they did they will have to shatter the paradigms they have created for themselves and risk momentary disruption at home and in their own little heads, something very hard to do for most.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Dear Osho,
if you are trying to show a born blind person what the color red is, you cant, it is impossible no matter what ploy you adopt you will be unsuccesful.
If our people were blind, than one could accept fate and move on. But this is 'hysterical blindness' that you are struggling to overcome. Though the structures are in place they are as useless as if one was born without them.
To complicate things further, pashtoons are incapable to see for a myriad of reasons. Let me dissect it a bit so we have some more insight.

The foriegn born second generation pashtoon, have major identity crises. Life at home is strickly eastern/afghan. Outside a stark contrast. Some weary of home adopt what is outside, they adopt ways of the place they are in, most do well, live in the socioeconomic bracket they were brought up in and move forward with the same frequency as any other local in that environment. Some that do well may wish to look back at watan for oppurtunity and wish things were like here over there as well.
Others try to find a reassurance in the new world of the justification of what is at home. As the only close approximation for the much scattered diaspora is a muslim mosque, some drift in that direction. Most of these mosques are wahabi funded, so they adopt this rhetoric. Life at home is harmonized with outside, but only in a pan islamic / wahabi doctrine. Few may come accross other sect but being much less funded these are rare. The world view becomes anti west and pro-saudi/wahabi. All is a western/jewish conspiricy and salafism is the answer to everything. The parents though themselves not wahabi, consider it a blessing as at least it is better than a 'bay-deen' westeranized who will bring back a western girl or boy home. Most get married back home or in local community to perpetuate the cycle. The host country and people remain a psychological enemy to be afraid of.

The other category is the expatriate pashtoons, in western countries are either linked or in afghanistan's case unlinked for long periods from watan. Those linked stay in a state of stupor, for folks back home, play all kinds of psychological, emotional and other black mail tactics to maintain a steady supply of remmitence from them. Even if professionaly successful few prosper, when children grow up, mostly confused, they fear westranization of children. They prefer a wahabi child to one dating a non muslim or even behaving like a local kid. Those without such chains can be counted on fingers amongst the millions abroad. the Gulf expatriates are too much in contact in watan, and usually ignore the hardship imposed by the arab/wahabies. They do get ahead and though at heart know the stupidity, harshness and corrumption of the wahabi arabic system, at home can become a spokeman, to facilitate local powerbase as it is congruent with powerful elements in establishment in pakistan and well funded thugs in afghanistan. do these think independently, well you tell me, can they?

The locals who are truely local, are either wishing to run away or if that is not possible, get connected to a local group that can provide some assurance in a inhospitable corrupt system. Most become foot soldiers under the authority of one thug or another. They do what is asked, all is well and good if they do it, all is bad and unwell if it is done to them. They have no uniform code of ethics or morality. They dont understand why they are doing what they do most of the time. They have tried every thing especially in pakhtunkwha and nothing has worked. In afghanistan they dont feel much enlightened either and are furthermore severly traumatized, a situation now repeating in FATA. Religion is prevelant but in the end set aside to do what needs to be done for the small subgroup they have chosen or are dumped in.


In this atmosphere, you are trying to show ideas, visions and oppurtunities nobody is willing to see, let alone incorporate and follow. For if they did they will have to shatter the paradigms they have created for themselves and risk momentary disruption at home and in their own little heads, something very hard to do for most.

^ A post that should be framed as a prime example of continued dedication to nonevidence based practice. See Toramana's first back and forths with me for the devastating rebuttal. That was back in November and you are quickly entering automaton territory with the repetative arguments that are exact duplicates of theirs. Remember Baygham Khan Lala, repeating something 100 times does not make it more true.... it just means you are apt to repeat something wrong a hundred times over.

[Baygham]

^ A post that should be framed as a prime example of continued dedication to nonevidence based practice. See Toramana's first back and forths with me for the devastating rebuttal. That was back in November and you are quickly entering automaton territory with the repetative arguments that are exact duplicates of theirs. Remember Baygham Khan Lala, repeating something 100 times does not make it more true.... it just means you are apt to repeat something wrong a hundred times over.

which paragraph irked you, LOL.
thasbee hum pa las kee dhee, repetition is at the core of 'zikar'. os hum dha ibadath na sala manee kay,

[BarakzaiAbdali]

which paragraph irked you, LOL.
thasbee hum pa las kee dhee, repetition is at the core of 'zikar'. os hum dha ibadath na sala manee kay,

The first sentence:

http://news.discovery.com/tech/artif...ght-blind.html

LOOOL. Besides this same argument has been eaten, digested, regurgitated, etc again and again and again. I'll let you do the work of the search for the original threads. I cannot keep doing your homework for you.

[faye]

america has been an extremely bad role model for 'democracy' and is getting worse. australia too is manipulated and controlled by multinationals and has interfered with other countries. both america and australia are built on thievery and violence against the indigenous inhabitants whose land was stolen and who are still suffering.
democracy in theory sounds good but is now a double edged sword. the young people gaining an education are now aware of the deviousness and interferences of the west in other lands. so they have every right to be suspicious of the true intent of so-called, democratic nations. it is a totally undemocratic activity, to impose democracy by force.
i understand the improvements you yearn for and i hope they come to fruition but even people in democracies are questioning our own behaviour and wondering where are rights are disappearing to.