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    Why all terrorists are Pashtuns?

    Why all the terrorists in Pakistan and Afghanistan are mostly Pashtuns? This is a question which makes me uneasy and I wish we can separate the terrorism and Pashtunwali. Terrorism has been concentrated in Pashtun areas of Pakistan and Afghanistan, besides the Terrorism in Iraq, Spain, Srilanka, Colombia and few other places in the world. Pashtun areas present the worst scene. In Afghanistan 100 % suicide bombers and fighters against the Afghan and other forces are Pashtuns. In Pakistan they are almost 80%. Majority are young Pashtun boys and girls.

    Why this is so? It’s mostly because of the lethal combination of Pashtunwali and Wahabi Deobandi extremist Islam. Two fires have been merged into a gigantic flame. Pashtuns being sincere, simple, independent minded people and Wahabi teachings of promulgation of Sharia without state make a very dangerous mixture and threat to Afghanistan, Pakistan and the world at large.

    I know that Terrorism is a multidimensional phenomenon. The lethal combination of Pashtunwali and extremist Islam is the major cause of terrorism -not the only cause - army , intelligence agencies , new world order, new great game, poverty, ignorance , illiteracy, misunderstanding of religious teachings , ethnicity, separatism, nationalism, sense of deprivation, aggravation, oppression ,economic or cultural disadvantage, non democracy, wrong globalization ,inferiority complex, etc can be other the causes and reasons.

    For me in our context Pashtunwali and extremist Islam are the main reason of terrorism, suicide bombings and all other such evils. Why this is so. The simple answer is because it’s happening there, in Pashtun areas physically practically no where else. I personally know that these are Pashtuns who explode themselves, very few from other ethnicities in Pakistan and Afghanistan, in Iraq yes they are Arabs, in Srilanka Tamils.

    If some one says that this is because of others that Pashtuns became terrorists or terrorism is present in Pashtunland. But you might have heard the story that one judge arrested the man who was robbed instead of arresting the thief, because the man provided the opportunity of theft to the thief. This is we Pashtuns who let others to play with us, we are susceptible, the fault lies with us that Arabs and Americans and Punjabis and others play with us. Why we let them to do so .Why they don’t do it with others why with us only. We have to dismantle the lethal combination of extremist Islam and Pashtunwali; otherwise Pashtuns will suffer further and will be more victimized.

    Pashtuns as a whole are not extremists .I use the word extremist for Islamists not for Pashtuns and for me the mixture of Pashtunwali and extremist Islam is lethal not Pashtunwali separately or Islam as a religion separately. When Islam in the shape of extremism, fundamentalism, obscurantism , Puritanism , fanaticism, immoderation, zealotry, activism, intemperance, radicalism without moderation is merged with the innocence, sincerity , hospitality, honesty , genuineness, earnestness, naturalness, unexpectedness, authenticity and candor of Pashtuns , then it becomes dangerous.

    Here one may note that for me Pashtunwali is positive, extremist Islam is negative. Pashtunwali is a fertile soil for the weeds of extremist Islam where it flourishes with vigor. The more Pashtuns are less religious extremists, lesser will be the chances of terrorism. I always suggest that the best way to combat terrorism in Pashtun areas is to make the Pashtuns aware of their Pashtunwali and to create distance between Pashtuns and extremist Islam or any ideology because Pashtuns are simple. sometimes simpleton or even stupid and are easily deceived and cheated by others

    I have first hand experience of the observing extremist Islam in Pashtuns and have enough knowledge of ground reality. The solution is to make Pashtuns more practicing Pashtuns and limit the religion only to metaphysical beliefs, worship and a kind of morality not interfering in social, political and other aspects of life.


    I am not against Islam. I am against extremism, obscurantism, fanaticism and religious bigotry. My concern is about the combination of the Extremist Islam in the shape of Taliban, Salafism and Al Qaida and Pashtunwali. The religious extremism in Pashtuns can be minimized by making Pashtunwali and Pashtun nationalism and Pashtun culture and fine arts more dominant in Pashtun society.

    Pashtuns were not religious extremists before the invasion of the erstwhile USSR IN 1979. When the religion was brought to defeat communism and atheism, there Pashtunwali and extremist Islam were mixed and this lethal combination till today is a nightmare for Pashtuns. Pashtuns were very secular before that period. Mulla had his role limited to mosque and religious ceremonies and he was not at all interfering in social, political and economic life of Pashtuns. Pashtuns were at peace with each other and with others. Once the bigotry of Deobandi extremists and terrorism of Salafis and Wahabis were brought to Pashtunland, the fire made became a gigantic flame which is till today burning Pashtuns, Muslims and the whole world.

    I shall conclude my essay with the suggestion that Pashtunwali should become the norm and value of Pashtuns culture and society. Islam should remain only a religion for spiritual and religious or moral purposes only. Otherwise the emotions of Pashtunwali and religious extremism of political Islam will become a doomsday for Pashtuns, Muslims and the world.

  • #2
    Please read this thread before you respond to OSHO. This section had special rules hence the result of this new thread and the other being locked.

    Originally posted by osho View Post
    Some members may y feel handicapped when they want to share here with friends long articles. If they post it in other sections then it seems very long and boring for many. Also it disappears after few days as new threads are appearing daily.

    Admn Khan was requested to add a separate section on the name of Creative writing and Research where members can open thread where long articles, essays, research papers, thesis, novels, dramas, fictions, long poems , book reviews , compositions,analytical writing, critique, expose,dissertation, treatise etc can be posted and then other members can write their comments on these long write ups.

    It is a separate corner for serious members who want to share their creativity with interested members only. Where only serious, intellectual and creative discussions are carried out. This is a kind of magazine of this site.

    What matters is quality not quantity. We can open 100 threads in one day but these should be useful and informative. In general threads actually information and entertainment are often mixed. Both must be separate.

    This new section name is CREATIVE WRITING and RESEARCH

    Here long essyas, articles, research papers, theses etc written by the members themselves may be posted.

    This is a section for quality write ups. No matter it has one or 100 topics or memebrs. Just a corner where members want to publish their own write ups for comments and information of others and for educative and reformatory purposes. It is like the editorial page of a good newspaper or a magazine.

    This Section is only for creative writers. I am sure we have a lot many creative writers . here t will be like writing a small book, research paper, an expository or interpretive or analytical essay , a fiction, a short story etc and you know very few can write or dedicate time to such writing.Hopwever may be here we find many great writers.

    The question will not be of participants but of quality writing. May be a member just publish his or her article and no one will participate as it will be like a newspaper editorial essay and very few will write comments but the role of the essay to inform, to reform and to educate is enormous. As compared to a Hujra topic where we have 100 participants but the topic has only one or two days life and then it disppears.

    In this section the write ups will have a permanent value like a book or an informative piece of writing quoted and cited for centuries.

    THis section is unique..with quality not quantity or number. My be we have both quantity and quality.

    Creative writing and Research is the Section where both articles and research papers etc can be published for information, sharing and comments.

    Please publish your long articles here and other members may have scholarly, critical , analytical , educatice, informative and reformational comments and remarks.

    Please write grammatical correct language and full spellings. No short sentences or chat language. Just think before posting that you are publishing an article here as one would send it to a magazine or the editorial page of a good news paper
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    For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


    The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

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    • #3
      Yeah Lets have some useful discussion as per the guidelines for this section

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      • #4
        Your "essay" is written pathetically.

        If I were an English teacher, I would give you a D-.
        I must confess that I am impressed with your ability to write over a thousand words on one particular subject without loosing focus, but your habit of listing isms and associative nouns at length bores my mind.

        Without going on at length to criticize every faulty assumption you have made, it will be sufficient to debunk your entire thesis by pointing out the folly in your central premise, i.e pashtuns are simpeltons who easily get manipulated by others.

        Pashtuns being sincere, simple, independent minded people
        Since this is your claim, how stupid would it be to allow such simple minded people to make decisions on their own, i.e democracy. Having read your views on other threads, I have come to know that you also think it is vital for the survival of pashtuns that the occupation should continue. Which is precisely why you write an article on "terrorism" without even defining what it means...because if you had done that then there would be no difference between ISAF and Taliban. You talked about everything in your article except for the white elephant in the room...seek professional help, shiri osho.

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        • #5
          by reading the title i must say Bias BS.

          by now we know your profile Osho,nothing good comes from you.
          and if people want to discuss such an article called pashtuns terrorists i should say Pashtun brothers and sister Dont feed the haters.

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          • #6
            stupid thread, 10-15 years, were pashtun terrorists???

            this thing is a very recent thing, it's mainly because of lack of education in the area and extremist mullahs imams take advantage of the situation by brainwashing the uneducated young men. the answer is simple as that

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            • #7
              Instead of personal attacks please read the essay at least the following introduction and criticize it with counter arguments. Either prove that the religious terrorists are not only Pashtuns but also Panjabis, Tajiks, Hazaras, Uzbeks,Balochs,Turks, Iranis, Sindhis, Indians or admit that yes majority of the terrorists are Pashtuns and we must take remedial measures like introducing democracy, modern education, free market economy and women participation in political, economic and social activities. All my posts are for reformation and education purposes and I never atatck on the person but on what she or he writes.


              Why all the terrorists in Pakistan and Afghanistan are mostly Pashtuns? This is a question which makes me uneasy and I wish we can separate the terrorism and Pashtunwali. Terrorism has been concentrated in Pashtun areas of Pakistan and Afghanistan, besides the Terrorism in Iraq, Spain, Srilanka, Colombia and few other places in the world. Pashtun areas present the worst scene. In Afghanistan 100 % suicide bombers and fighters against the Afghan and other forces are Pashtuns. In Pakistan they are almost 80%. Majority are young Pashtun boys and girls.

              Why this is so? It’s mostly because of the lethal combination of Pashtunwali and Wahabi Deobandi extremist Islam. Two fires have been merged into a gigantic flame. Pashtuns being sincere, simple, independent minded people and Wahabi teachings of promulgation of Sharia without state make a very dangerous mixture and threat to Afghanistan, Pakistan and the world at large.

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              • #8
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                all your posts are anti muslims and Pashtuns
                you are so stupid that you dont even know that there were zero bombings before the invasions.

                you dont mind Pashtun land being invaded and yet dare to blame it on Islam.

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                • #9
                  All my posts are anti violent extremist Salafis, Ahle hadith ,Panjperis, Taliban, Wahabis, Al qaeda Terrorists Muslims and Pashtuns who may not be just 5% of Muslims and Pashtuns. I am not against the silent majority of Pashtuns and Muslims. I am myself a Muslim and Pashtun and am not a terrorist Muslim and pashtun. Please differentiate between Islam and Salafism-wahabism-terrorism and between Pashtunwali, Pashto and Pashtuns and Taliban and Terrorism.

                  I am for democracy , modern education and free market economny with competition. I want to remain Muslim, Pashtun and at the same time want to achieve the material development of G8. In the Muslim world my nearest ideals are Malysia and Turkey.

                  This way we can wipe out terrorism from Pashtunland. I consider the presence of NATO a blessing who is fighting against Taliban who is our common enemy.

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                  • #10
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                    calm down we know exactly what you stand for and what your views are about Pashtun women,calling them prostitutes with hijab and slave.

                    you love Nato and american troops raping Afghan/muslim women and vaporising whole villages?how about you go there and get raped and than talk about your blessing.

                    people such as you are a disgrace to Pashtuns muslims and humanity

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by osho View Post
                      Instead of personal attacks please read the essay at least the following introduction and criticize it with counter arguments. Either prove that the religious terrorists are not only Pashtuns but also Panjabis, Tajiks, Hazaras, Uzbeks,Balochs,Turks, Iranis, Sindhis, Indians or admit that yes majority of the terrorists are Pashtuns and we must take remedial measures like introducing democracy, modern education, free market economy and women participation in political, economic and social activities. All my posts are for reformation and education purposes and I never atatck on the person but on what she or he writes.


                      Why all the terrorists in Pakistan and Afghanistan are mostly Pashtuns? This is a question which makes me uneasy and I wish we can separate the terrorism and Pashtunwali. Terrorism has been concentrated in Pashtun areas of Pakistan and Afghanistan, besides the Terrorism in Iraq, Spain, Srilanka, Colombia and few other places in the world. Pashtun areas present the worst scene. In Afghanistan 100 % suicide bombers and fighters against the Afghan and other forces are Pashtuns. In Pakistan they are almost 80%. Majority are young Pashtun boys and girls.

                      Why this is so? It’s mostly because of the lethal combination of Pashtunwali and Wahabi Deobandi extremist Islam. Two fires have been merged into a gigantic flame. Pashtuns being sincere, simple, independent minded people and Wahabi teachings of promulgation of Sharia without state make a very dangerous mixture and threat to Afghanistan, Pakistan and the world at large.

                      Instead of acting like a victim in your own thread and regurgitating what you were fed by foxnews, try to rebuke what I say.

                      One man's terrorists is another man's freedom fighter.

                      Since you can't demonstrate free thinking .. and since you respond in every thread with the same biased propaganda of CENTCOM, you expose your self as a tool of the real threat to the world - mindless stooges that march to the beat of the war drums.

                      The Revolution Guard of Iran is also a terrorist organization according to the U.S. Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan, Hizb ut tahrir (situated in Tajikstan), Harakatul Ansar, Haraktul Mujahiden, Jaish e Mohammad, Lashkar e tayba...and if you ask me even the Northern Alliance is a terrorist organization. Indians, turks, and sindhis have their own 'terrorists' organizations too, who are just as vicious as any other pashtun group. But by making conflated statements such as "100% of the suicide bombers are pashtuns", you wish to drive in the idea that pashtun's are genetically programmed to be gullible fools ready to throw their lives away. You feel that pashtuns are inferior beings, and that their only salvation is to mimic the west, since they can't do anything of their own accord ...like you. Arabs and tajiks also suicide bomb themselves... anyway.. ur a jackass..and I am basing that on what you are writing...which is a reflection of who you are.

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                      • #12
                        Freedom is fought by nations not by groups or few indivisuals. Taliban or Alqaida are terrorist organizations because they are few indivisuals or few groups. Their tool is terror not democracy or will of the people. If they are the real representatives of Pashtuns then let them contest elections, let them have the majority in parliament and have their government

                        I agree there are few other terrorist organizations but they are not so active as we see the activism of taliban in Pashtuin areas. Just be authentic and look around and observe where we have law and order problems, where we have terrorism, suicide bombings, ambush attacks. These are only and only in Pashtun areas of Afghanistan and Pakistan.

                        I dont blame all Pashtuns or all Muslims but those who are violently extremists among Muslims and Pashtuns. This is a bad luck that these violent extremists are only among Pashtuns.

                        Instead of praising these terrorist groups lets have self criticism which will go a long way in our national reformation and development. I am not stooge of any one but I am the friend of the brighter side of the life. On one side I have the darkness, backwardness, obscurantism, death, extremism and on the other side I have democracy, prosperity, life, development and human rights. I choose the later and want it for my Pashtuns. I dont want Taliban and Alqaida for Pashtuns but I want the life standard of G8 for my Pashtuns. If this is my crime, my sin I will commit it again and again.

                        I am not for USA or Europe but I am for their values, their development, their education, their life standard, their human rights and their rule of law and justice.
                        Last edited by Badlun; 02-11-2011, 11:15 AM.

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                        • #13
                          Taliban are not just a group. Majority of Pashtuns in Afghanistan and Pakistan are against foreign occupation. And if the ones who fight against the invaders were a few individuals, then your false deity, USA would not need to send hundreds of thousands of troops to fight a few individuals.
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                          • #14
                            USA has not occupied Aghanistan. Occupation was done by Arabs, Sultans, Moghuls,British. Spanish, Portuguese and others. We have an elected president and elected Parliament in Afghanistan. USA and NATO are fighting our war against the Taliban.

                            Anti -Americanism is one thing and Taliban is another. Yes taliban are using anti Americanism very shrewdly and people misconceive taliban and anti-american the same thing. Taliban are few but because of the false propaganda of Taliban and Alqaida the number of Anti americans is greater.

                            Why Tajiks, Uzbeks and others are not against americans and allies of taliban?Why only Pashtuns are against USA and allies of taliban?This is the theme of this article.

                            Taliban are using two things at their advantage. Extreme ideology and anti americanism. In Aafghanistan they are using both of these tools while in Pakistan they are mainly using extremism and America does not have the so called ocuupation in Pakistan but Pashtuns of Pakistan are still exploited by the extremists.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by osho View Post
                              USA has not occupied Aghanistan. Occupation was done by Arabs, Sultans, Moghuls,British. Spanish, Portuguese and others. We have an elected president and elected Parliament in Afghanistan. USA and NATO are fighting our war against the Taliban.

                              Anti -Americanism is one thing and Taliban is another. Yes taliban are using anti Americanism very shrewdly and people misconceive taliban and anti-american the same thing. Taliban are few but because of the false propaganda of Taliban and Alqaida the number of Anti americans is greater.

                              Why Tajiks, Uzbeks and others are not against americans and allies of taliban?Why only Pashtuns are against USA and allies of taliban?This is the theme of this article.

                              Taliban are using two things at their advantage. Extreme ideology and anti americanism. In Aafghanistan they are using both of these tools while in Pakistan they are mainly using extremism and America does not have the so called ocuupation in Pakistan but Pashtuns of Pakistan are still exploited by the extremists.
                              The reason why majority of the mujahideen are Pashtuns are is because - unlike people like you- Pashtuns are by nature very religious and devout Muslims. And they have diginity.

                              The religious Uzbeks and Tajiks do support jihad. But they are not as many as the the secular ones.
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