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  • #46
    I would like to describe the case of the favourite Mathew Hoh in a bit detail with references so that we may understand that just quoting some one does not make an argument valid. Also we should know how much important is the one who is quoted.

    Matthew Hoh is an American former Marine Corps captain and former State Department 3161 contractor. He served in Iraq and Afghanistan. In 2009 he resigned from his non-permanent Foreign Service Officer position in Afghanistan in protest of the strategy being used in the War in Afghanistan.

    His career as a U.S. Marine included service during the Iraq War. He resigned his commission as a Captain and left the Marines in 2004 to become a civilian contractor in Iraq.

    Hoh's position within the Department of State was initially described as a Foreign Service Officer by the media, and Hoh never made any effort to correct this error. However, Hoh was never a member of the career Foreign Service, nor could he be credibly described as a "U.S. Official." Hoh accepted a position as a 3161 contractor with the State Department, which is a temporary, non-permanent assignment to a Foreign Service Officer position.Therefore, members of the diplomatic community were disappointed that his dissent was characterized as that of a career FSO, which would carry considerably more weight.

    Additionally, Hoh served a total of four months in Afghanistan, casting significant doubt about his credibility as an authoritative source of information about the war in Afghanistan. Hoh has been criticized by his former colleagues and others for using a temporary position to launch what some see as a self-promoting career as a war critic.

    To date, no Foreign Service Officer has resigned in protest over U.S. policy in Afghanistan.We should draw a distinction between his situation and somebody who had been in the Foreign Service and had a stake in the Foreign Service for 20 years or more."

    Just see how quoting a contractor who remained only for 4 months was made so important just to belittle the argument of some one else.

    Even Hoh himself believes that "There are plenty of dudes who need to be killed," he said of al-Qaeda and the Taliban. "I was never more happy than when our Iraq team whacked a bunch of guys."

    He further says that While the Taliban is a malign presence, and Pakistan-based al-Qaeda needs to be confronted, he said, the United States is asking its troops to die in Afghanistan for what is essentially a far-off civil war.

    He is suffering from "survivor guilt" and has hust expressed his "doubts and reservations about our current strategy and planned future strategy,"

    He wants people to know that stabilizing the Afghan government doesn't equate to defeating al Qaeda.

    "If that's our goal, to defeat al Qaeda, we need to change our strategy because, you know it's the proverbial swatting of the fly with a sledgehammer, all you do is basically exhaust yourself and you put holes in your walls and your floors, and you don't do anything to the fly," he said. "We are still fighting them the way we would have fought in the 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's, and we need to change. We need to evolve to actually fight this threat so that we can affect it."

    This means he just recommends changes in the strategy but is not against fighting Alqaida and Taliban.

    Also he writes in his 4 pages resignation letter that the insurgency is because of Pashtuns who are illiterate, rural, religious, traditional versus others who are secular, modern, educated and urban.

    Matthew Hoh Resigns Over U.S. Strategy in Afghanistan - ABC News

    U.S. official resigns over Afghan war - washingtonpost.com
    Matthew Hoh | Ask.com Encyclopedia

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    • #47
      Osho, the Afghan government is a puppet government without any credibility. There has been no jirgas allowing foreigners to be there. This is one of the reasons why there is so much resentment to them there.

      What thousands of parliaments are you talking about? You think by just repeating the same dead mantra, that people will think your speaking the truth?

      Within every nation involved in this failing war, their respective people are against the war (go and check the polls).

      So not only is there a losing war, there is no support for it by either.

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      • #48
        The Afghans are against the war clearly, the Anericans are (70 percent), and all other countries oinvolved are. Go and verify it.

        So basically, you decide to just spread false information here?

        It does't suit your purposes at all. It is a failing war. Nothing you say is going to change it.

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        • #49
          Osho is an example of a slave who loves his/her master more than master himself.

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          • #50
            I prefer to be the slave of the champions of democracy, human rights and development than to be the slave of Alqaida and Taliban. If I have to choose between two evils, the West and the Taliban then my choice will be the former.

            The ideal will be when Afghanistan becomes an independent G8 like country with out foreign troops and with out Taliban. A modern Pashtuns dominated religiously Islamic country. May be like Malysia or Turkey.

            My fear is that once the foreign troops withdraw from Afghanistan it may not be again conquered by the Taliban. The history of the withdrawl of USSR and domination of the warring Mujahideen may not be repeated. Gran Afghanistan may not once again entangle in the quagmire of civil war and rule of Taliban and safe heaven for Alqaida.

            I wish the foreign troops train the Afghan army sufficiently and then leave the country and we have a clean government with strong military, sound economy and democracy with human rights, freedom for women, Pashtunwali as culture and society and Islam as a religion.

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            • #51
              me and my girl sholana were looking at your guys pics...and god do you guys have big noses..like o m g for real

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              • #52
                Originally posted by osho View Post
                I prefer to be the slave of the champions of democracy, human rights and development than to be the slave of Alqaida and Taliban. If I have to choose between two evils, the West and the Taliban then my choice will be the former.

                The ideal will be when Afghanistan becomes an independent G8 like country with out foreign troops and with out Taliban. A modern Pashtuns dominated religiously Islamic country. May be like Malysia or Turkey.

                My fear is that once the foreign troops withdraw from Afghanistan it may not be again conquered by the Taliban. The history of the withdrawl of USSR and domination of the warring Mujahideen may not be repeated. Gran Afghanistan may not once again entangle in the quagmire of civil war and rule of Taliban and safe heaven for Alqaida.

                I wish the foreign troops train the Afghan army sufficiently and then leave the country and we have a clean government with strong military, sound economy and democracy with human rights, freedom for women, Pashtunwali as culture and society and Islam as a religion.
                we all want the same. I want a true Islamic society that meets all the matters you just discussed, but Afghanistan will do this on its own terms.
                True Islamic societies afford rights to all citizens. Obviously, we want to have tolerance, but we will not compromise any of our religious and cultural values in the process.


                The rare thing is you want to be a slave whereas a overwhelming majority of people don't. Afghanistan will be free and will achieve a great place in this world.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by osho View Post
                  I would like to describe the case of the favourite Mathew Hoh in a bit detail with references so that we may understand that just quoting some one does not make an argument valid. Also we should know how much important is the one who is quoted.

                  Matthew Hoh is an American former Marine Corps captain and former State Department 3161 contractor. He served in Iraq and Afghanistan. In 2009 he resigned from his non-permanent Foreign Service Officer position in Afghanistan in protest of the strategy being used in the War in Afghanistan.

                  His career as a U.S. Marine included service during the Iraq War. He resigned his commission as a Captain and left the Marines in 2004 to become a civilian contractor in Iraq.

                  Hoh's position within the Department of State was initially described as a Foreign Service Officer by the media, and Hoh never made any effort to correct this error. However, Hoh was never a member of the career Foreign Service, nor could he be credibly described as a "U.S. Official." Hoh accepted a position as a 3161 contractor with the State Department, which is a temporary, non-permanent assignment to a Foreign Service Officer position.Therefore, members of the diplomatic community were disappointed that his dissent was characterized as that of a career FSO, which would carry considerably more weight.

                  Additionally, Hoh served a total of four months in Afghanistan, casting significant doubt about his credibility as an authoritative source of information about the war in Afghanistan. Hoh has been criticized by his former colleagues and others for using a temporary position to launch what some see as a self-promoting career as a war critic.

                  To date, no Foreign Service Officer has resigned in protest over U.S. policy in Afghanistan.We should draw a distinction between his situation and somebody who had been in the Foreign Service and had a stake in the Foreign Service for 20 years or more."

                  Just see how quoting a contractor who remained only for 4 months was made so important just to belittle the argument of some one else.

                  Even Hoh himself believes that "There are plenty of dudes who need to be killed," he said of al-Qaeda and the Taliban. "I was never more happy than when our Iraq team whacked a bunch of guys."

                  He further says that While the Taliban is a malign presence, and Pakistan-based al-Qaeda needs to be confronted, he said, the United States is asking its troops to die in Afghanistan for what is essentially a far-off civil war.

                  He is suffering from "survivor guilt" and has hust expressed his "doubts and reservations about our current strategy and planned future strategy,"

                  He wants people to know that stabilizing the Afghan government doesn't equate to defeating al Qaeda.

                  "If that's our goal, to defeat al Qaeda, we need to change our strategy because, you know it's the proverbial swatting of the fly with a sledgehammer, all you do is basically exhaust yourself and you put holes in your walls and your floors, and you don't do anything to the fly," he said. "We are still fighting them the way we would have fought in the 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's, and we need to change. We need to evolve to actually fight this threat so that we can affect it."

                  This means he just recommends changes in the strategy but is not against fighting Alqaida and Taliban.

                  Also he writes in his 4 pages resignation letter that the insurgency is because of Pashtuns who are illiterate, rural, religious, traditional versus others who are secular, modern, educated and urban.

                  Matthew Hoh Resigns Over U.S. Strategy in Afghanistan - ABC News
                  http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...T2009102603447
                  U.S. official resigns over Afghan war - washingtonpost.com
                  Matthew Hoh | Ask.com Encyclopedia

                  Dear Osho,

                  Once again, you did not examine your source as well as you ought to have:

                  Regarding Matthew’s background and your selective quoting from the article…

                  A) It was well known by the time that Matthew interviewed with the nation that he had honorably served in Iraq and subsequently served in Afghanistan in combat. For example, you note 4 months service. So what? The average tour of duty for a marine is 6 months on first deployment.

                  B) You misquote Holbrook and his relationship. You attempted to demote the importance of his role by pointing out his civilian contract status. I will let Mr. Holbrook and Mr. Eikenberry rebut Osho (information he conveniently left out):
                  http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...102603394.html

                  U.S. Ambassador Karl W. Eikenberry brought him to Kabul and offered him a job on his senior embassy staff. Hoh declined. From there, he was flown home for a face-to-face meeting with Richard C. Holbrooke, the administration's special representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan.
                  "We took his letter very seriously, because he was a good officer," Holbrooke said in an interview. "We all thought that given how serious his letter was, how much commitment there was, and his prior track record, we should pay close attention to him."
                  While he did not share Hoh's view that the war "wasn't worth the fight," Holbrooke said, "I agreed with much of his analysis." He asked Hoh to join his team in Washington, saying that "if he really wanted to affect policy and help reduce the cost of the war on lives and treasure," why not be "inside the building, rather than outside, where you can get a lot of attention but you won't have the same political impact?"
                  Francis J. Ricciardone Jr., Eikenberry's deputy, said he met with Hoh in Kabul but spoke to him "in confidence. I respect him as a thoughtful man who has rendered selfless service to our country, and I expect most of Matt's colleagues would share this positive estimation of him, whatever may be our differences of policy or program perspectives."


                  C) Your source was corrected by foggy bottom (Ian Kelly himself) and your lead runs to a blog post under the Washington Post’s original article and the paper trail ends there. Here is the official correction from the statement department to your tainted (propagandist/dishonest?) picture. Notice Osho the part where Mr. Kelly rebuts your attempt as trying to characterize Matthew as a dime a dozen when he refers to his actual position as RARE and not 3161:

                  http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/dpb/2009/oct/130972.htm

                  “Just to give you a little more background on his affiliation with the State Department, he signed on for a limited appointment. It is a non-career appointment. He signed on March 29th of this year and his employment lasted up until September 28. He submitted his letter of resignation a few weeks before that. He was signed on as a political officer in a Provincial Reconstruction Team in Afghanistan in Zabul. And his role as a PRT political officer was to monitor and report on political and economic developments in his province.

                  Well, I think he was upfront with his own chain of command, and had the opportunity to discuss with his immediate boss who is the supervisor of the PRTs. And he also talked to the Deputy Chief of Mission out there, Mr. Frank Ricciardone. And it was very much an open and transparent process. As I say, we value his service, we value his background and his skills. This is why we appointed him to this limited non-career appointment to be a political officer, to be our eyes and ears on the ground in Zabul. In the end, he made his own decision, that he decided to resign, and we respect that.

                  MR. KELLY: At that point, he would have – his employment would have been over with the State Department. These appointments can be extended as well. I – there have been some appointments that have been extended up to 18 months, I know.
                  QUESTION: And the – okay, but then that’s it?
                  MR. KELLY: And that’s it. Yeah, that’s it.
                  QUESTION: So there –
                  MR. KELLY: He signs an agreement that he’ll – that he agrees to stay for a year and then his employment ends.
                  QUESTION: So that you can’t re-up it at that point.
                  MR. KELLY: Oh, I said we can extend him, but he has no – it’s a non-career appointment. So he doesn’t have any re-employment rights, per se. Of course, he can compete for other jobs.
                  QUESTION: Then I’m not – I’m unclear as to how he actually fits into the Foreign Service.
                  MR. KELLY: It’s – there is a provision of the Foreign Service Act that gives the Secretary the right to designate certain positions as limited with a time certain end date in order to fill positions that have not been filled through the normal Foreign Service process. And so this was one of them. We have, I think a total in the world, about 16 of these type appointments. It’s not – it’s fairly rare.
                  QUESTION: Is that the same thing as the 3161 or is that different?
                  MR. KELLY: No, that’s different.
                  QUESTION: It’s different, right?
                  MR. KELLY: I don’t know all the ins and outs of 3161. I think that’s more of a Civil – I think that’s for Civil Service appointments.
                  QUESTION: So this is under Foreign Service, but he is not considered --
                  MR. KELLY: This is under Foreign Service.
                  QUESTION: -- a Foreign Service officer, he’s not commissioned as a Foreign Service officer?
                  MR. KELLY: He’s not commissioned as a Foreign Service officer, yeah.

                  D) Per the above, you are flat out wrong. You simply googled information instead of actually reading and digesting Matt’s viewed and then weighting the logic behind it. Osho, this is called slipshod research and merely works to discredit you even more. The interesting thing, is that even if you were to show conclusively (which the state department commentary above makes it hard for you to do) that Matthew was 3161… he had the ears of the those folks listed above that all buttressed his credentials. As a result, you end up losing either way… because either Hoh is a rare breed of appointee that wanted limited service and not to be locked in to a multi year role… or he is for some reason, a 3161 that everyone from Eikenberry, to Holbrooke, to Kelly want to listen to. Your attempt was to make him seem like some average military boy gone contractor fell flat on its face! Thank you for strengthening our case.

                  E) The point that he has killed and wants to effectively take apart America’s enemies undo your case against him even more. Can’t you see that you are darned if you do and darned if you don’t? Either Matt is in incredulous 3161 who is useless to rely on for information and therefore irrelevant (which you are thoroughly debunked on above)… in which case you still lose because you cite his observations on the need to take out Al Qaeda and Taliban with a better strategy. You also lose on the other hand, because if he is as credible as Holbrooke et al. make him out to be, you end up endorsing a losing strategy. So once again, Osho Khan thank you for showing how you are slowly but surely marching toward defeat.

                  F) You once again state, as if by repeating yourself a thousand times, that the wolesi jirga and the plankay jirga etc etc endorse NATO presence, provide proof! Yet you skirt around the corruption and the admitted illegitimacy pointed out by Indian diplomats well known to have familiarity with the Afghan question. Since you skirt the evidence, I will simply keep reposting it to your repeated claims of a legitimate government:

                  “Its deceptive of you to continue to use missionary logic (i.e. recycle the same arguments that were thoroughly debunked elsewhere) solely because you believe that repeating a false statement or propaganda makes it the truth. You are required, first and foremost to provide a thorough evidence based rebuttal and provide data... none of which you have done:”

                  Congratulations Interventionalists and Secular Nationalists

                  Illegitimate Afghan Vote for the Presidential Election:

                  http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125375338620236147.html


                  And Now the parliament;

                  http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/MA25Df02.html

                  Here is the quote from M K Bhadrakumar in the second article linked: Ambassador M K Bhadrakumar was a career diplomat in the Indian Foreign Service. His assignments included the Soviet Union, South Korea, Sri Lanka, Germany, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Uzbekistan, Kuwait and Turkey:

                  “Close to half of the population consists of ethnic Pashtuns and yet 75% of parliamentary seats have been "won" by non-Pashtuns. The Hazaras constitute 10% of the population, but they "won" 20% of the seats, including in Pashtun-dominated regions.

                  Something has gone very seriously wrong. Conceivably, the election commission did come under extraneous influence, as alleged by the attorney general. A parliament on the basis of the available results lacks political legitimacy, as Pashtuns will feel disenfranchized.”


                  Interesting about your parliament obsession: Recall that Mr. Abdul Rasul Sayyaf actually does not endorse the secularization and democratization campaign….

                  Let me guess Osho, Mr. Bhadrakumar is a 3161 Indian Diplomat right???
                  Last edited by BarakzaiAbdali; 02-16-2011, 09:34 PM.
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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by osho View Post
                    I prefer to be the slave of the champions of democracy, human rights and development than to be the slave of Alqaida and Taliban. If I have to choose between two evils, the West and the Taliban then my choice will be the former.

                    The ideal will be when Afghanistan becomes an independent G8 like country with out foreign troops and with out Taliban. A modern Pashtuns dominated religiously Islamic country. May be like Malysia or Turkey.

                    My fear is that once the foreign troops withdraw from Afghanistan it may not be again conquered by the Taliban. The history of the withdrawl of USSR and domination of the warring Mujahideen may not be repeated. Gran Afghanistan may not once again entangle in the quagmire of civil war and rule of Taliban and safe heaven for Alqaida.

                    I wish the foreign troops train the Afghan army sufficiently and then leave the country and we have a clean government with strong military, sound economy and democracy with human rights, freedom for women, Pashtunwali as culture and society and Islam as a religion.
                    Once again Osho read history. Its a complete falsity that the West abandoned Afghanistan after the Russian War. In fact, Zalmay Khalilzad and others were instrumental in acting on the West's behalf to maintain Najib and add elite feudals that sat on sidelines while their brothers died fighting Russians. Where is your evidence to counter Mr. Graham's permanent bases and disenfranchisement of all of Afghanistan?
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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by osho View Post
                      If one Hoh talks of something then you take it as a valid argument and if the presence of the international troops is allowed by the Wolasi Jerga and Loya Jerga of Afghanistan , by hundreds of parliamenterians, then thats not a proof for you.There are thousands of scholars who are against Alqaida and Taliban but you just blindly believe in Hoh.

                      Where is that stability of Taliban now. Why they dont rule over Afghanistan any more. Do you still think that Taliban will defeat the International and Afghan forces and they will once again rule over Afghanistan. If you think like that then you will be living in a fools paradise. Its the era of democracy, modernism, human rights, fundamental rights of expression, movement and happiness. This is not the era for for those who carry us back to the stone age.

                      Just giving a reference of a link does not make an argument valid. Its not necessary in this kind of discussions that I must quote some one else. May be some one else will quote me!

                      I have always tried to reply whenever I felt it necessary and useful. I dont believe in mere intellectualism, apologetics and arguments for the sake of arguments and winning wars of proofs and references. I have a somple message to share with Pashtuns that we believing in our religion and practising Pashtunwali may follow democracy, free market economy, science and technology and human rights.

                      No Osho, no one will quote you because you do not endorse, in your argument style, the fundamental of secular thought (logic and evidence and intellect). So you bet your sweet billy club that I want you to reference and provide a proof from a higher authority than yourself about each and every thing you trumpet as blanket truth (e.g. the patently false statement about the parliament and Karzai as being legitimate to Pashtuns). Otherwise, I would endorse the religious theocracy of Osho, which contrasts with your desire for me to secularize.

                      Take, as an example, your utter lack of logic when you attempted to say that 4 months that Hoh spent on the ground in Afghanistan meant little. However, you carry the banner, of Neocons and interventionalists: Feith, Frum, Bill Kristol, Kagan (Father and son), Dan Pipes, Bush, Cheyney, Obama, Clinton (Mr. and Mrs.): folks who have one thing in common with yourself and one thing on contrast to Matthew: they served 0 years and 0 months on the ground in any war. For that reason Sir, your attempts at logic and proof involute because your non evidence based arguments work against you when examined closely. Trust me, I’ll take Matt Hoh, with his 4 months in Afghanistan, on the ground in Zabul, as confirmed by Ian Kelly, than ever take on the bloody and deluded fantasies of Mr. Bill Kristol.

                      As another example, you know very well that civilian contractors make quiet a profit on the ground…Yet what profit has Matthew made off quitting what you proposed was a lucrative position for him (civilian contractor)? Had you examined your charges for that key element of the burden of proof before putting them out there you would not have discredit yourself further because the answer is simple: None, as he is now head of the Afghan Study Group, a nonprofit organization:

                      “The Afghanistan Study Group was formed in the spring of 2007, and its work was conducted on a voluntary pro-bono basis under the auspices of the Center for the Study of the Presidency.”

                      http://www.thepresidency.org/publica...our-strategies


                      Your next attempt will be to discredit Dr. Scheuer. To do this, you will turn to the work of schill author, avowed Israeli firster, and necon Jeffery Goldberg. You may even turn to the articles by Mr. Gabriel Schoenfeld (another fellow cut out of the same cloth). The general arguments will be baseless and rely on the idea that Mike was not a field agent and was an analyst. So what? He was an analyst that the 9/11 commission report clearly documented as having given 3 sitting presidents 6 changes to kill Osama Bin Ladin. Yet, you will have to contend with an endorsement that will be very difficult for you to deal with:

                      “According to bin Laden, ‘If you want to understand what's going on and if you would like to get to know some of the reasons for your losing the war against us, then read the book of Michael Scheuer in this regard.’”

                      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Scheuer

                      How does that work Osho, did Bin Ladin just read a ton of books by folks like Bergen, et al and just pick Scheuer’s out of the line up because it served his interests the most?

                      Remember, Osho, truth and logic trumps feeling and anecdote every time. Every time brother.
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                      • #56
                        osho has failed to make any rebuttals to repair his wrecked up fantasy of an Afghanistan under the boots of a failing system.
                        In reality the only effective thing the US army has brought about is the massive hike in narcotic sales. Especially so the people of paktia have profited well from the traffiking of these drugs from their mechanic shops in dubai. There are about 4 million heroine addicts in Afghanistan, 14% of the population...yet how many terrorists are exported from Afghanistan to other parts of the world? Have you ever heard of an Afghan fighter in any other part of the world engaged in terrorist activities? Yet this fool is asking why pashtuns are terrorists. If you take the mind of osho as a subject case, and study how he thinks, you can pretty much see how effective the system really is at putting ideas into people's mind..."inception". We can already say with absolute certainty that osho's argument has failed. His thesis is unsupported and his claims are pure conjecture...it is merely his opinion but it has become so true for him that he cannot see it other wise. Marvelous!
                        Last edited by Alchemist; 02-16-2011, 11:35 PM. Reason: shhh!

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                        • #57
                          That is the main point that breaks osho's stupid views.

                          There has been no Afghan terrorist at all, especially a pashtun one.

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                          • #58
                            I wish one reads this again on the matter of Hoh and make mone sown judgment how insignificant this fellow is who has been so extensively quoted and presented exageratedly to win an argument in internet forums and sinking in oblivion the crystal clear reality on the other side of the picture. One will take these foreign names and links serious if there is no substance inside.Its just a hollow dummy looking very impressive from oputside but having no real substance inside.

                            Hoh accepted a position as a 3161 contractor with the State Department, which is a temporary, non-permanent assignment to a Foreign Service Officer position.Therefore, members of the diplomatic community were disappointed that his dissent was characterized as that of a career FSO, which would carry considerably more weight.

                            Additionally, Hoh served a total of four months in Afghanistan, casting significant doubt about his credibility as an authoritative source of information about the war in Afghanistan. Hoh has been criticized by his former colleagues and others for using a temporary position to launch what some see as a self-promoting career as a war critic.

                            To date, no Foreign Service Officer has resigned in protest over U.S. policy in Afghanistan.We should draw a distinction between his situation and somebody who had been in the Foreign Service and had a stake in the Foreign Service for 20 years or more."


                            You just see the case of one civilian officer so serious and dont see the hundreds of other Foreign service officers and army officers who are working in Afghanistan for years not few months. Do you see any other similar case like that of Hoh who just cashed the opportunity to become famous or notorious. He is indeed a shrewd person.but at the same time stupid as he considers the Congress, the Obama administration and all others serving in Afghanistan as crazy but himself a wise one who resigns from the otherwise temporary service. If the ambassador of USA in Afghanistan resigns or even a counsellor or thirs decretary then I ll take it serious but not at all a civil contractor. No doubt he might have been interviewed by important persons but it does not make his standpoint correct.

                            Even his position is critical of the strategy but he is not at all in favour of terrorism, Alqaida and taliban.

                            Even if the whole government of USA does what Hoh did, will not make Taliban and Alqaida justified on the soil of Afghanistan. they are the embodiment of evil and barbarism. We should be thankful to the USA and others who are playing their part to annihilate these enemies of humanity and civilization.

                            Again one Indian diplomat criticism does not make a big difference. In international law and relations Karzai and his government has full international recognition including that of United Nations.There may be corruption and other problems but where we dont have these problems. Even in the developed world and the whole so called Islamic world you see these problems. It does not make a government invalid. Otherwise the whole world has to resign and we should make one pure Khilafat lead by Abdali.

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                            • #59
                              I also did not see any brebuttal of these lines

                              Also he writes in his 4 pages resignation letter that the insurgency is because of Pashtuns who are illiterate, rural, religious, traditional versus others who are secular, modern, educated and urban.

                              And Hoh thinks that

                              "There are plenty of dudes who need to be killed," he said of al-Qaeda and the Taliban. "I was never more happy than when our Iraq team whacked a bunch of guys."

                              He further says that While the Taliban is a malign presence, and Pakistan-based al-Qaeda needs to be confronted, he said, the United States is asking its troops to die in Afghanistan for what is essentially a far-off civil war.

                              He himself is against the devils and evils Taliban and Alqaida whom you are supporting so strongly by using his name.

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                              • #60
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