why Creationism is farcical and Evolution is a meritable Scientific Concept

[کیش]

I'm answering your questions 3 times!!!

I believe God Governs the Laws of nature which cause humans to evolve and that is how he created them.

Simple

That isn't my question, your being a little b*tch right know.

I said that humans are descendants of Noah's three sons: Sam, Ham and Japhete. It is said that they are the fathers of three races, do you deny this?

This goes against your bull**** theory, so I know your answer. You don't even belief in Adam and Eve, didn't you say the story was made-up for convenience?

You already said that their is no "Scientific" proof of god, that he's above "science". Well, why do you belief in him, if god isn't true "scientifically" do you pick and choose your sciences?

What's more important to you, belief or the truth?

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Listen I answered your question 4 Times already, just because you don't like my answer and are looking for a specific answer doesn't mean I didn't answer. It's all there.

Truth is always more important, because beliefs can be wrong.


by the way which verse of the Qur'an and which hadiths talks about sons of Nuh (as)?

[کیش]

^^^^

It's from the Torah, a book that has more credibility then Charkes Darwin or other "Science" men.

Fine, all take that answer. But, please elaborate on the story of Adam and Eve. I wanna and am sure the reader wants to hear it from an Evolutionist. Was the story dumbed down?

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^^^^

It's from the Torah, a book that has more credibility then Charkes Darwin or other "Science" men.

Fine, all take that answer. But, please elaborate on the story of Adam and Eve. I wanna and am sure the reader wants to hear it from an Evolutionist. Was the story dumbed down?

The Torah, a book corrupted by Jews and Christians, and Muslims do not use because it is not any real or authentic version which was sent by Allah(swt).

Interesting

are you sure you're not a Christian?


The story of Adam and Eve is that God created Laws of nature to form Adam and Eve through evolution.

[کیش]

Where is the laws of nature created by god (your opinion on the laws or nature)? Do you have any references about that? So is the story about Adam and Eve fake? Are you sure your not an Atheist.

The Torah and bible have been corrupted. It doesn't mean everything in it is irrelevant. You don't have to be a Christian, or Jew read them.

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LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

If God didn't create Nature, then who did? You're implying someone or something besides Allah(swt) was responsible for the Laws of Nature?

This is Shirk

You have to be a Jew or Christian to BELIEVE them when Muslims know for 100% sure that the Bible is corrupted.

reading? Anyone can READ something; it's another to actually BELIEVE in it. You don't even know for sure those references are actually true.

Where does Islam say anything about 3 races from Ham, Shem, Japeth? Definitely not in Qur'an and ahadith.

[کیش]

do you deny this Bukhari hadith?


Abu Hurairah narrated that the Prophet Muhammad said: "Allah created Adam from dust after He mixed the clay and left him for some time until it became sticky mud, after which Allah shaped him. After that Allah left him till it became like potter's clay. Iblis used to go past him saying 'You have been created for a great purpose.' After that Allah breathed His spirit into him. The first thing into which the spirit passed was his eye and then his nose. He sneezed. Allah said: "May your Lord have mercy upon you, O Adam! Go to those angels and see what they would say.' So Adam went and greeted them. they replied saying: "Peace be upon you and the mercy and blessings of Allah." Allah said: "O Adam! This is your greeting and that of your offspring."

Abu Musa narrated that Muhammad said: "Allah created Adam from a handful of dust taken from different lands, so the children of Adam have been created according to the composition of the land. Therefore from mankind we have white, red, black and yellow ones; we have good and evil, ease and sorrow, and what comes in between them."


and this from the Quran?

Almighty Allah also revealed: And surely, We created you (your father Adam) and then gave you shape (the noble shape of a human being), then We told the angels, "Prostrate to Adam'; and they prostrated, except Iblis, he refused to be of those who prostrate.

(Allah) said: 'What prevented you (0 Iblis) that you did not prostrate, when I commanded you?"

(Iblis) said: "I am better than him (Adam), You created me from fire, and him You created from clay."

(Allah) said: "0 Iblis, get down from this (Paradise), it is not for you to be arrogant here. Get out, for you are of those humiliated and disgraced." Surah 7: 11-13*

(Remember) when your Lord said to the angels: "Truly I am going to create man from clay. So when I have fashioned him and breathed into him (his) soul created by Me, then you fall down prostrate to him." So the angels prostrated themselves, all of them: except Iblis, he was proud and was one of the disbelievers.

(Allah) said: "0 Iblis! What prevents you from prostrating yourself to one whom I have created with Both My Hands. Are you too proud (to fall prostrate to Adam) or are you one of the high exalted?" (Iblis) said "I am better than he, You created me from fire, and You created him from clay."

(Allah) said: "Then get you from here, for verily, you are outcast. And verily!, My Curse is on you till the Day of Recompense." (Iblis) said: 'My Lord! Give me then respite till the Day the (dead) are resurrected." Allah said: "Verily! You are of those allowed respite - till the Day of the time appointed." Iblis said: "By Your Might, then I will surely mislead them all, - except Your chosen slaves amongst them (faithful, obedient, true believers of Islamic Monotheism)."

(Allah) said: "The truth is, and the truth I say, - that I will fill Hell with you (Iblis) and those of them (mankind) that follow you, together." Surah 38: 71-85

The Angel of Death ascended with it, and He (Allah) soaked the clay till it became sticky. Then Allah said to the angels: "Truly, I am going to create man from clay. So when I have fashioned him and breathed into him (his) soul created by Me. Then you fall down prostrate to him. Surah 38: 71-72

Verily, the likeness of Jesus, in Allah's Sight is the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then (He) said to him: "Be!" - and he was. Surah 3: 59

And (remember) when your Lord said to the angels: "I am going to create a man (Adam) from sounding clay of altered black smooth mud. So, when I have fashioned him completely and breathed into him (Adam) the soul which I created for him, then fall (you) down prostrating yourselves unto him." So, the angels prostrated themselves, all of them together. Except Iblis, - he refused to be among the prostrators. (Allah) said: "0 Iblis! What is your reason for not being among the prostrators?" (Iblis) said: "I am not the one to prostrate myself to a human being, whom You created from sounding clay of altered black smooth mud." (Allah) said: "Then, get out from here, for verily, you are Rajim (an outcast or a cursed one). And verily, the curse shall be upon you till the Day of Recompense (i.e. the Day of Resurrection)." Surah 15: 28-35

Iblis tried in vain to justify his refusal: "Shall I prostrate to one whom You created from clay?" (Iblis) said: "See? This one whom You have honored above me, if You give me respite (keep me alive) to the Day of Resurrection, I will surely seize and mislead his offspring (by sending them astray) all but a few!" Surah 17: 62

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These verses and ahadith are metaphors

[کیش]

These verses and ahadith are metaphors

Says you?

Ibliss is deceiving you, like what is said in the Quran.

What's more important to you? Science or the Quran.


Whoever is reading this, do you read what this man is saying? Or is it just me here

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Surah Al Imran verse 7 says

He it is Who has revealed to you the Scripture, whereof some Ayats are Decisive- these are the Mother of the Scripture, and others are allegorical.


these are the Qur'an's own words, so it is you who are being deceived by Iblis, since you deny the Qur'an uses allegory.

Truth is the ONLY thing that is important to me

[lostsoul.]

they says that the ayaat quran is not benefit Certainty ..they say its benefit THINKING .
ok let me write in arabic scimitarXedge
الادلة لا تفيد اليقين وانما تفيد الظن !!
يا اخي لو قرأت القران بتمعن لربما يفتح الله على قلبك !!
هذه اية واحدة تظهر لك اتباع الظن والهوى الي اين يؤدي !!
نحن لا نقول لا تأخذ بالعقل !! لكن نحن نقول لا تقدم العقل على الدليل الصحيح !! او تأويله الى غير معناه !!
صاحب المذهب الاشعري الامام أبو الحسن الأشعري غير منهجه ورجع الى الطريق الصحيح وعندها ألف كتابه "الإبانة عن أصول الديانة" ولكن اتباعه لم يفعلوا !!
اعرف انك من المعتزلة لكن بأعطيك مثال على بامكانك المراجعة !! لكن البدعة صعب ان تبعد عن القلب اذا التصقت بقلبك !!
(لَيْسَ كَمِثْلِهِ شَيْءٌ وَهُوَ السَّمِيعُ البَصِيرُ)
هذا قول الله تعالى على ان لديه سمع وبصر لكن ليس كمثله شيء !! ما الذي يجعلك تنكر قول الله تعالى ؟بأي حق تنكره ؟ اوليس واضحا كوضوح الشمس !!
القلب مطموس بالبدع يا اخي اذكر الله كثيرا وراجع دينك وبأذن الله ربنا يفتح على قلبك النور والهداية .
nuff said :p

[Leonine]

islam advocates creationism, not evolution but we need someone smarter than keesh to argue for it :P...

[کیش]

islam advocates creationism, not evolution but we need someone smarter than keesh to argue for it :P...

Then go ahead, I don't see anyone besides me who debated for the whole thread (which is a month old)

Go ahead, smart man.

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islam advocates creationism, not evolution but we need someone smarter than keesh to argue for it :P...

Give it your best shot, because Keesh or Kaish is getting demolished.

[کیش]

^^^^

Getting demolished? How. By a man who doesnt belief in god's word, and says not to take the word of god as literal. Where is your proof that all those verses are metaphors?

Like I said before, your delusional. I love how you pick and choose what parts of the Quran/Hadith are metaphors, and what are not.

Keep getting deceived by false pride/knowledge.