why Creationism is farcical and Evolution is a meritable Scientific Concept

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Sorry my 8 answers were not good enough for you.

Your officially ducking it, its been several days since I asked it.

Seems you cannot answer it. Keep making excuses not to.

NO because your 8 answers HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH MY QUESTION

It would be like me asking you "Is the sky blue or red??

and then you respond, "No I believe my Shirt is Blue and Red ..and people who disagree are wrong"

Just because you say the same IRRELEVANT remark 8 times doesn't mean you answered my question.


So no, You're officially dodging and avoiding here, not me.

When you answer my question the CORRECT way, you get yours answered

why are you so afraid and cowardly?

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I answered your question to the fullest last time. It's kinda annoying for someone to answer 2, when 1 + 1

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Truth or belief?

I could write in essay about "truth", and "belief" but it won't get through your egotistical head. My answer is Truth.

The truth is "there is no god but Allah, and Muhammad is his Messenger." the truth is god created Adam from clay, through Adam came his offsprings.

You could belief in Evolution all you want. It's your graves.

Answer mines.


All say it again for you Jackasses

Truth.

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That's from my answer

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Ok finally


so what was your question?

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From days ago

They say human races came from Noah's three kids: Sam, Ham and Japhete? Is that false?

What does god mean then, when he mentions sculpting Adam out of clay?

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you didn't ask me this questions originally you asked me about transitional forms, but because you're so beswad you couldn't define what the characteristics for one is.

1.) Prophet Muhammad(saw)'s misson was as follows.

Nabi (sal Allahu alaihi wa sallam) said: “I have only been sent to perfect righteous behaviour.” (Musnad Ahmad)

so he wasn't sent here to teach evolution, just how to live. So the question is irrelevant.

Just like Muhammad(saw) never taught computer science, physics, chemistry.....yet we all admit their validity by nature.
first of all Computer science is different than the answer to the question how we were created by Allah.
so you fail at giving sort like examples.
According to you the question how we were created was irrelevant and you think someone later had to tell us?
Matter of fact Prophet muhammad (saw) did tell us how we were created by Allah and if it was different that that account than he would have told the people.
2.) Actually yes some did, Al Jahz , Al Nazzam. during the Islamic Golden Age, people were more enlightened and explored the deeper aspects of nature and the Qur'an rather than taking just superficial literal meanings they analyzed how Qur'an and Nature correspond.

If you read the Tafsir called Al-Kashshaf by Zamakhshari, you'll see discussions that the verses about Adam and clay are representations that all Earthly beings are made of Earthly matter, but they have a metaphysical representation in God's Knowledge before they manifest in the Earth, this is what is meant .
they were wrong.
its their and your word against the Quran and the word of the prophet (saw).
well just to support your evolution view you will try to see anything in the verses.
By passing of time you will tell us that it is not required to Pray ,it was all ment metaphorically.

3.) After the 12th Centuries the Ignorant Mullahs tried to stop Muslims from learning and started preaching blind following. When the Mongols went through Central Asia and Middle East they destroyed most of the Scientific Libraries; so few resources were left except blind following. So Modern Scholars ended up blindly inheriting that.

so you are telling em that you following a false theory know more than Islamic ulama.

you are nothing more than a materialist to extreme who wants Quran to fit what he has been taught in biology class.

before the so called scientist the theory existed and lets see where they might have got it from.

HANUMAN

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Do you believe in evolution, as much as god? Or is it equal amounts of belief for both of them.

Is that how true you belief in evolution? As true as god

I believe God causes evolution

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I believe God causes evolution

You didn't answer the question I posted above.

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so you are telling em that you following a false theory know more than Islamic ulama.

No, I don't consider the people you call Ulema are true Ulema; the true Ulema existed durig the Golden Age of Islam.

first of all Computer science is different than the answer to the question how we were created by Allah.
so you fail at giving sort like examples.

It's the same concept though, Nabi(saw) never said anything about these subjects, and yet Muslims use and apply them all the time.

Muhammad(saw)'s job wasn't to discuss evolution but rather to teach people his Manhaj. I even showed you the hadith. so evolution wouldn't be a relevant topic.

According to you the question how we were created was irrelevant and you think someone later had to tell us?

No according to Muhammad(saw). Read for yourself.

Nabi (sal Allahu alaihi wa sallam) said: “I have only been sent to perfect righteous behaviour.” (Musnad Ahmad)


Pay attention next time so you don't look like a brainwashed fool.

Matter of fact Prophet muhammad (saw) did tell us how we were created by Allah and if it was different that that account than he would have told the people.

Nabi(saw) used to speak in Metaphors and symbolic language because people couldn't understand the details of complicated ideas. He left clues but that wasn't his mission

If Nabi(saw) was against evolution why is there so much evidence in experiments that confirm it? wouldn't Nature, naturally conform with God? THis means that this is symbolic language

read the Qur'an itself it says

"He it is Who hath revealed unto thee (Muhammad) the Scripture wherein are clear revelations - they are the substance of the Book - and others (which are) allegorical. (Al `Imran: 7)

so we know that certain ideas were only being referred to as a way to make it easy to understand.

you are nothing more than a materialist to extreme who wants Quran to fit what he has been taught in biology class.

I could just as easily say, you're a Blind Brainwashed Wahhabi who wants the Qur'an to fit whatever he was brainwashed by ignorant child molestors to keep their power over people.

hey were wrong.
its their and your word against the Quran and the word of the prophet (saw).
well just to support your evolution view you will try to see anything in the verses.
By passing of time you will tell us that it is not required to Pray ,it was all ment metaphorically

they were wrong? These were the ORIGINAL Ulema of the Islamic Golden Age!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You were just saying that the Ulema know more, and now you're rejecting the ULEMA

the issue of Salaat is totally different than issue of evolution; because Salaat is an HUKM and Adam and eve story is mustashibbah two completely different matters

you never actually studied Islam and you can't speak Arabic so you're ignorant on the subject.

before the so called scientist the theory existed and lets see where they might have got it from.

yeah except evolution doesn't say we came from monkeys, monkeys come from a parallel branch, but I know you're beswad on most subjects you discuss. So I don't blame you for your error.

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You didn't answer the question I posted above.

I did I just didnt give you the answer you wanted

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No, I don't consider the people you call Ulema are true Ulema; the true Ulema existed durig the Golden Age of Islam.

LOL yeah right an dyou are a true alem.


It's the same concept though, Nabi(saw) never said anything about these subjects, and yet Muslims use and apply them all the time.

nice try but still they are totally different.

Muhammad(saw)'s job wasn't to discuss evolution but rather to teach people his Manhaj. I even showed you the hadith. so evolution wouldn't be a relevant topic.

so evolution becomes irrelevant and the Adam and Eve relevant.


No according to Muhammad(saw). Read for yourself.

Nabi (sal Allahu alaihi wa sallam) said: “I have only been sent to perfect righteous behaviour.” (Musnad Ahmad)

dont destort Islam to support what you have been taught in your biology class.


Pay attention next time so you don't look like a brainwashed fool.



Nabi(saw) used to speak in Metaphors and symbolic language because people couldn't understand the details of complicated ideas. He left clues but that wasn't his mission

Thats what you make of it to support your own false beliefs.

If Nabi(saw) was against evolution why is there so much evidence in experiments that confirm it? wouldn't Nature, naturally conform with God? THis means that this is symbolic language

You are distorting the teachings of our prophet(saw).

read the Qur'an itself it says

"He it is Who hath revealed unto thee (Muhammad) the Scripture wherein are clear revelations - they are the substance of the Book - and others (which are) allegorical. (Al `Imran: 7)


so we know that certain ideas were only being referred to as a way to make it easy to understand.

So according to you the vast majority of Muslim have got it wrong through generations and generations.


I could just as easily say, you're a Blind Brainwashed Wahhabi who wants the Qur'an to fit whatever he was brainwashed by ignorant child molestors to keep their power over people.

spoken like a true ignorant american.

remember the way you are talking is exactly how islamophobes talk ,next you will eb attackign our Prophet(saw).

they were wrong? These were the ORIGINAL Ulema of the Islamic Golden Age!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How about the ulama before the Golden age at the time of the Prophet(saw) why would they teach evolution?

You were just saying that the Ulema know more, and now you're rejecting the ULEMA

I reject what you are saying

the issue of Salaat is totally different than issue of evolution; because Salaat is an HUKM and Adam and eve story is mustashibbah two completely different matters

The way i see it ,you will end up being an atheist cuz your beliefs look the same.

you never actually studied Islam and you can't speak Arabic so you're ignorant on the subject.

So according to you the vast majority of Muslims who dont knwo a word arabic dont knwo the deen.

well we can see how good arab speaking people are as muslims.
look at saudi,libanon,syria etc you people are the furthest from the Deen.



yeah except evolution doesn't say we came from monkeys, monkeys come from a parallel branch, but I know you're beswad on most subjects you discuss. So I don't blame you for your error.

you are right im besewad cuz i dont believe in your monkey theory.

no you may answer about the transitional form or is Hanuman your transitional form?

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I did I just didnt give you the answer you wanted

No, you went pages ago and randomly picked a question.


Answer those two I asked above, with the best of your ability. Hey, it is you who is trying to proof Evolution. Your doing a lousy job at best.

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No, you went pages ago and randomly picked a question.


Answer those two I asked above, with the best of your ability. Hey, it is you who is trying to proof Evolution. Your doing a lousy job at best.

I answered them

I said God caused evolution

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is this transitional form?

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LOL yeah right an dyou are a true alem.

well considering that in Afghanistan and Pakistan most of the Mullahs cant even speak Arabic ..and this is true because most dont learn Arabic, just Urdu. Have you ever met a Taliban? Taliban only quote urdu books from Deobandi writers.

Yes I would have more knowledge since I can speak the language.

nice try but still they are totally different

different or not, the point remains, His job was to teach people how to live not discuss science.

so evolution becomes irrelevant and the Adam and Eve relevant.

It's not relevant to Manhaj and 'ummal (deeds), the Adam and Eve stories was just to make things easy for people.

dont destort Islam to support what you have been taught in your biology class.

No, you're just ignorant about Islam so you don't know the relevant texts on the subject. So you make this scapegoat.

If anything you're distorting Islam to support blind faith and ignorance. Islam teaches us to seek knowledge, not deny the real world.

You are distorting the teachings of our prophet(saw).

If anyone is distorting the teachings of Nabi(saw) it is you

I showed you a hadith that you had no idea existed, and you were acting as if you had knowledge on what Nabi(saw)'s mission. The one who speaks without knowledge is the one who is distorting.

So according to you the vast majority of Muslim have got it wrong through generations and generations.

Again that's your ignorance. during the Golden Age of Islam, Ulema actually agreed with the metaphoric meanings of certain verses

Al Zamakhshari and Al-Nazzam were just some of them. It is actually YOUR view which was innovated later after the Mongolians destroyed the libraries of Baghdad.

spoken like a true ignorant american.

You like to use americans as a scapegoat, and while sometimes it is legitimate; you on the other hand use it whenever you cant handle reality

Americans didnt make these Muslims come out and expose your child molesting masters

http://www.thenews.com.pk/TodaysPrintDetail.aspx?ID=241928&Cat=7&dt=6/2/2010

you think you can use america as a scapegoat for everything will work? You cant fool people.

We will get rid of America and BLIND ignorant false preachers of Islam like you.

How about the ulama before the Golden age at the time of the Prophet(saw) why would they teach evolution?

The first generations of Muslims were just focusing on how to live and build a society, this wasn't a topic for them at that time. when MUslims started learning science then the topics came up.

I reject what you are saying

No you're rejecting the Ulama, I referecned Ulema and you were denying it because they didnt fit your ignorant Mullahs interpretation.

The way i see it ,you will end up being an atheist cuz your beliefs look the same.

you're closer to it than I am, you support suicide bombing which is completely against Islam.

So according to you the vast majority of Muslims who dont knwo a word arabic dont knwo the deen.

That's a tough question; they know the basics but not the details. Hence you and I are having this debate, you don't know the details. You rely on some ignorant preacher who only knows Urdu deobandi books to teach you.

well we can see how good arab speaking people are as muslims.
look at saudi,libanon,syria etc you people are the furthest from the Deen.

How good of a Muslim someone is is different than KNOWING what Islam actually teaches.

I dont deny there are many bad Muslims in arab countries, but you can tell easily who are the bad ones and who are the good. However in Afghanistan and Pakistan a person will have a patkai, have a spin gira and we call him Lala, Khan sahib, Mashar, agha jan, and then this same guy chews naswar, and watch boys dance. So he goes go the mosque and fasts and then he molests boys and does homosexual acts. Is that Islam?

You have a better chance at being a good Muslim if you actually understand the Qur'an than if you don't

you are right im besewad cuz i dont believe in your monkey theory.

No you're beswad because you dont understand science OR Islam, and keep insisting on this false portrayal of 'monkey theory" when it is much more nuanced than that.


You're closer to Hindu than I am, you blindly believe stuff just like they do.

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well considering that in Afghanistan and Pakistan most of the Mullahs cant even speak Arabic ..and this is true because most dont learn Arabic, just Urdu. Have you ever met a Taliban? Taliban only quote urdu books from Deobandi writers.

wrong,dont you know telling lies is forbidden?
People out there quote the Quran and ahadeeth not some "ulama" or charles darwin.

Yes I would have more knowledge since I can speak the language.

Wrong




different or not, the point remains, His job was to teach people how to live not discuss science.
just to support your theory you would say anything.


It's not relevant to Manhaj and 'ummal (deeds), the Adam and Eve stories was just to make things easy for people.

you make up things as you go.



No, you're just ignorant about Islam so you don't know the relevant texts on the subject. So you make this scapegoat.
Well go tell that to over a billion muslims.

If anything you're distorting Islam to support blind faith and ignorance. Islam teaches us to seek knowledge, not deny the real world.

Dont deny the material world,but also dont distort the religion for your material needs.


If anyone is distorting the teachings of Nabi(saw) it is you
Our Nabi (saw) never taught evolution.

I showed you a hadith that you had no idea existed, and you were acting as if you had knowledge on what Nabi(saw)'s mission. The one who speaks without knowledge is the one who is distorting.

Muhamad(saw) mission was Islam and not evolution theory.

Again that's your ignorance. during the Golden Age of Islam, Ulema actually agreed with the metaphoric meanings of certain verses

Than why is there nothing knwon about this agreement,let me guess th eMongols burnt all the evidence ,yeah right.

Al Zamakhshari and Al-Nazzam were just some of them. It is actually YOUR view which was innovated later after the Mongolians destroyed the libraries of Baghdad.

Blame it all on mongolians cuz you have no evidence to proof your false theory.


You like to use americans as a scapegoat, and while sometimes it is legitimate; you on the other hand use it whenever you cant handle reality

No iam just pointing out your way of thinking and that of your fellow americans and i see they look the same.
Americans didnt make these Muslims come out and expose your child molesting masters


http://www.thenews.com.pk/TodaysPrin...=7&dt=6/2/2010
so you think this will make all muslims as child molesters or in this case all imam?

you think you can use america as a scapegoat for everything will work? You cant fool people.
just look at the link you posted to support your hatred for muslims and blame all for this case.
We will get rid of America and BLIND ignorant false preachers of Islam like you.
you cant even get rid of your snot and stop talking as if we are waiting for some coward such as you who tries to deny afghans right to resist.



The first generations of Muslims were just focusing on how to live and build a society, this wasn't a topic for them at that time. when MUslims started learning science then the topics came up.
Thats what you are saying to support your theory.




No you're rejecting the Ulama, I referecned Ulema and you were denying it because they didnt fit your ignorant Mullahs interpretation.
What is your problem with Mullahs?
Just make sure you dont spew this hatred when you are in Afghanistan if you ever dare to go,cuz you seem to be scared of even putting your step on your allegedly ancesral land.




you're closer to it than I am, you support suicide bombing which is completely against Islam.
I never supported suicide bombings,another amreekan type of argument.


That's a tough question; they know the basics but not the details. Hence you and I are having this debate, you don't know the details. You rely on some ignorant preacher who only knows Urdu deobandi books to teach you.

You are truelly ignorant with your deobandi urdu rant.
Educate yourself abotu the region before opening your mouth.



How good of a Muslim someone is is different than KNOWING what Islam actually teaches.


I dont deny there are many bad Muslims in arab countries, but you can tell easily who are the bad ones and who are the good. However in Afghanistan and Pakistan a person will have a patkai, have a spin gira and we call him Lala, Khan sahib, Mashar, agha jan, and then this same guy chews naswar, and watch boys dance. So he goes go the mosque and fasts and then he molests boys and does homosexual acts. Is that Islam?
Brainwashed much
have you ever been to Afghanistan?
its funny how you try to defend arabs by attacking Pukhtane.

You have a better chance at being a good Muslim if you actually understand the Qur'an than if you don't
So you are telling em you understand Quran,than why are you mutazalila?



No you're beswad because you dont understand science OR Islam, and keep insisting on this false portrayal of 'monkey theory" when it is much more nuanced than that.
Transitional form will do.

You're closer to Hindu than I am, you blindly believe stuff just like they do.

so is Hanuman the transitional form or not?