why Creationism is farcical and Evolution is a meritable Scientific Concept

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You can't read. I said god knows what the true interpretations of the Quran. Who am I to think i know what all-mighty knows.


Let's say Evolution is completely false, and you have been deceived. Wouldnt it be a grave sin, to think you knew for sure what god meant, going out of your way to disbelief what god said in the Quran?

Let's say creationism is false (for sec), that is not a grave sin as I do not try to understand what only god can understand. I am only reciting lines, he spoke referring to the creation of man.

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1.) No it wouldn't because we have evidence from nature that Evolution is real, God created nature, therefore the Qur'an and Nature wouldn't contradict

2.) Yes you would be sinful, because you're following the interpretation which is man made, and not from God, because God says that his signs will be in nature, therefore we have to look at nature to see what God really means.

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Just for the record, if you or anyone else believes that God sits on a throne or has arms, legs and hands ....then you have engaged in believing what is truly ridiculous. Since God is not a created being and finite things like arms and legs are created.

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that's what "follow" means ..look at the words themselves



read the part where it says

"fa yatab'aouna"

this means following something in deeds in Arabic, literally this part means "so they will follow"

See this is exactly why learning the Qur'an in it's original language is important because the detailed meanings are lost when translated.

the meaning of this ayaa
Mohsin Khan: It is He Who has sent down to you (Muhammad SAW) the Book (this Quran). In it are Verses that are entirely clear, they are the foundations of the Book [and those are the Verses of Al-Ahkam (commandments, etc.), Al-Fara'id (obligatory duties) and Al-Hudud (legal laws for the punishment of thieves, adulterers, etc.)]; and others not entirely clear. So as for those in whose hearts there is a deviation (from the truth) they follow that which is not entirely clear thereof, seeking Al-Fitnah (polytheism and trials, etc.), and seeking for its hidden meanings, but none knows its hidden meanings save Allah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We believe in it; the whole of it (clear and unclear Verses) are from our Lord." And none receive admonition except men of understanding. (Tafsir At-Tabari).

hmm this is wat we are talkin about :

but u have to know that its mean
and others not entirely clear. So as for those in whose hearts there is a deviation (from the truth) they follow that which is not entirely clear thereof, seeking Al-Fitnah (polytheism and trials, etc.), and seeking for its hidden meanings, but none knows its hidden meanings save Allah.

an example: this is the two ayaat
http://corpus.quran.com/translation....ter=6&verse=23

Sahih International: Then there will be no [excuse upon] examination except they will say, "By Allah , our Lord, we were not those who associated."
Pickthall: Then will they have no contention save that they will say: By Allah, our Lord, we never were idolaters.
Yusuf Ali: There will then be (left) no subterfuge for them but to say: "By Allah our Lord, we were not those who joined gods with Allah."
Shakir: Then their excuse would be nothing but that they would say: By Allah, our Lord, we were not polytheists.
Muhammad Sarwar: Attempting to answer, they will say, "Lord, we swear by Your Name that we were not pagans".
Mohsin Khan: There will then be (left) no Fitnah (excuses or statements or arguments) for them but to say: "By Allah, our Lord, we were not those who joined others in worship with Allah."
Arberry: Then they shall have no proving, but to say, 'By God our Lord, we never associated other gods with Thee.'

http://corpus.quran.com/translation....ter=4&verse=42

Sahih International: That Day, those who disbelieved and disobeyed the Messenger will wish they could be covered by the earth. And they will not conceal from Allah a [single] statement.
Pickthall: On that day those who disbelieved and disobeyed the messenger will wish that they were level with the ground, and they can hide no fact from Allah.
Yusuf Ali: On that day those who reject Faith and disobey the messenger will wish that the earth Were made one with them: But never will they hide a single fact from Allah!
Shakir: On that day will those who disbelieve and disobey the Messenger desire that the earth were levelled with them, and they shall not hide any word from Allah.
Muhammad Sarwar: At that time the disbelievers who disobeyed the Messenger will wish that they could be turned into dust and they will be able to hide nothing from God.
Mohsin Khan: On that day those who disbelieved and disobeyed the Messenger (Muhammad SAW) will wish that they were buried in the earth, but they will never be able to hide a single fact from Allah.
Arberry: Upon that day the unbelievers, those who have disobeyed the Messenger, will wish that the earth might be levelled with them; and they will not conceal from God one tiding.

so the man come and say this is wrong , how its say they said (وَاللَّهِ رَبِّنَا مَا كُنَّا مُشْرِكِينَ)
and then its say they (ثم يقال عنهم إنهم لا يَكْتُمُونَ اللَّهَ حَدِيثاً) so they think the ayaat Contradictory so allah make them in Confusion for Test and scourge . and only the mulla's and who knows the right islam know its not Contradictory and all the ayaat is right ....


i know this is your belive !! so you wont admit anything . you ppl dont belive that the ayaat is right so you ppl saying if ur brain dont accept this thing then this ayaat is wrong . the ayaa you post its about ppl like you muat'zill asha'era ........etc

pardon my fu*kin english

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Just for the record, if you or anyone else believes that God sits on a throne or has arms, legs and hands ....then you have engaged in believing what is truly ridiculous. Since God is not a created being and finite things like arms and legs are created.

that the big question scimitar...who created god???????

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that the big question scimitar...who created god???????

God can't be created by "his" properties

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i know this is your belive !! so you wont admit anything . you ppl dont belive that the ayaat is right so you ppl saying if ur brain dont accept this thing then this ayaat is wrong . the ayaa you post its about ppl like you muat'zill asha'era ........etc

pardon my fu*kin english

It's not that I dont believe in it, because I do; but your argument doesnt apply here because of the latter part of the verse.

awwwwwww all that effort for nothing.

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Your blind, deaf and dumb, while following your own lusts and ego.

Belief in whatever garbage you want to. I am done wasting my time here, as a Destined Kafir, will always be a Kafir.

You reject all those verses of the Quran for science, proofs your a non-believer. Your even so delusional, that you think your up to par to what only god knows in the Quran.

Your like the modern day Mirza Ghulam Ahmed/Rashad Khilifah, both believed they knew the secret meanings of the Quran. What happened to them?

[lostsoul.]

It's not that I dont believe in it, because I do; but your argument doesnt apply here because of the latter part of the verse.

awwwwwww all that effort for nothing.

wat a nice skip lool
im done . and we only gona waste time .
have a good day all of u :p

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wat a nice skip lool
im done . and we only gona waste time .
have a good day all of u :p

Mehmoud is so blind, deaf, and dumb that he thinks ones understanding of false-pride, is the same thing what god was talking about in that verse. If that's the case, Charles Darwin must be a saint in Habibi's eyes.

Adjust those overalls uncle Tom.

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Your blind, deaf and dumb, while following your own lusts and ego.

Belief in whatever garbage you want to. I am done wasting my time here, as a Destined Kafir, will always be a Kafir.

You reject all those verses of the Quran for science, proofs your a non-believer. Your even so delusional, that you think your up to par to what only god knows in the Quran.

Your like the modern day Mirza Ghulam Ahmed/Rashad Khilifah, both believed they knew the secret meanings of the Quran. What happened to them?

now you're doing takfir like a wahhabi?

wrong I am rejecting your ta'wil about these verses; you're equating your ta'wil as being God's ta'wil which is shirk.

this would be conditions for kufr.

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Okay buddy, ignoring Quranic verses is what real Muslims do?

Keep going, I'm sure you will end up like your predecessor Mirza Ghulam Ahmed, or Khalifah.

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Mehmoud is so blind, deaf, and dumb that he thinks ones understanding of false-pride, is the same thing what god was talking about in that verse. If that's the case, Charles Darwin must be a saint in Habibi's eyes.

Adjust those overalls uncle Tom.

It's funny you insult arabs by making fun the word "habibi" even though Muhmmad(saw) was Arab, and in Islam you cannot insult other Muslims ethnicity. It shows how little you actually care about Islam and more about your own ignorance and beghairati.

you're ignorant of Muslims who expressed the concept of evolution....like Al Jahiz

we dont need to deem people saints, we just need to see who can prove their ideas and who cant

and you sir cannot .....try putting your own false pride away and start seeing PROOF that is all around us in Nature.

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Okay buddy, ignoring Quranic verses is what real Muslims do?

Keep going, I'm sure you will end up like your predecessor Mirza Ghulam Ahmed, or Khalifah.

Again YOUR INTERPRETATION is not the Qur'ans verses.

real Muslims dont think their ignorance and denial of reality is what the Qur'an means

heh

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that's not true at all, Arabs and Pashtuns have good and bad aspects, at one time our ancestors who became Pashtuns used to worship many Gods or worship fire. It was normal for men to swap their wives together. There was as much Jahiliyah in our areas as there was in Arabia. Otherwise we'd never have become Muslims.


Not only are you contradicting your whole premise, whether someone is Arabic or Pashtun is completely irrelevant in this context. Perhaps you're just looking for an excuse hide your ignorance of the Arabic language, even though the Qur'an is in arabic. Understanding Arabic is Paramount for that reason, has nothing to do with what Ethnicity you are.

Al-Jahiz was Ethiopian, you'll insult him for being African now since you can't actually succeed at a debate you look for other scapegoats, like being Arab and ethnicity and other diversions. You'll ignore him because that sabotages your constant false appeal to Darwinism as a scapegoat. It will force you to have to admit that Evolution as a theory existed long before Darwin, and even existed with Muslims.

dont worry I know your tactic, you're trying to emotionally black mail people into agreeing with your stupidity, ignorance and blind dogma. But emotional black mail is useless against knowledge, education and logic.

In short you're frustrated because you can't compete and present a strong debate. Trust me you're not merely the verses of the Qur'an at all; Islam is about truth and evidence. If nature shows us evidence then it's God showing us evidence, God's Laws Govern nature. If you understood the Qur'an you'd know that.

even people who believe in Creationsm noticed