Islamic reaction to radical Muslims

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. If you are not so sure about what I have said, then you would have to show where I went wrong. According to my understanding of puritan Islam this is unheard of.

Yes, these people are not an authority of the Holy Quran.

[MazloomyarMaseed]

Ozymandias

The Majority of Muslims do not follow Terrorism, you should visit UK and see for yourself, Muslims are busy making money and running their businesses, you will only see them on a friday going for a community prayer.

Terrorism is a cause of powerful nations such as USA foreign policy. I agree Muslims do not protest enough or openly object terrorism but many have but have sadly been killed in the process.

Muslim world isnt so open as you have in the west. Muslim world is infested with foreign agencies, militants, interest gainers etc

[abubaker]

Ozymandias

The Majority of Muslims do not follow Terrorism, you should visit UK and see for yourself, Muslims are busy making money and running their businesses, you will only see them on a friday going for a community prayer.

Terrorism is a cause of powerful nations such as USA foreign policy. I agree Muslims do not protest enough or openly object terrorism but many have but have sadly been killed in the process.

Muslim world isnt so open as you have in the west. Muslim world is infested with foreign agencies, militants, interest gainers etc

[MazloomyarMaseed]

Ive noticed from your Abubaker that you hardly ever post material against Pakistan but always refer to the sufferings of Afghanistan, I would advise you to also add content in regards to Pakistans massacing of pashtuns and balochis or maybe that is not in the policy of JUI supporters?

[abubaker]

Ive noticed from your Abubaker that you hardly ever post material against Pakistan but always refer to the sufferings of Afghanistan, I would advise you to also add content in regards to Pakistans massacing of pashtuns and balochis or maybe that is not in the policy of JUI supporters?

whats JUI.

i have said in another threads that i don't like the Pakistani government and their campaign against Muslims ''pashtuns, happy now''. the fact that i don't post anything against it doesn't mean that i agree with/like what's happening to our pashtun brothers over the border, but your free to assume what ever you want it doesnt bother me.

btw that video was in support of your post, you would realise that if you had watched it to the end, or did you ignore it because it was regarding Afghanistan

[MazloomyarMaseed]

whats JUI.

i have said in another threads that i don't like the Pakistani government and their campaign against Muslims ''pashtuns, happy now''. the fact that i don't post anything against it doesn't mean that i agree with/like what's happening to our pashtun brothers over the border, but your free to assume what ever you want it doesnt bother me.

btw that video was in support of your post, you would realise that if you had watched it to the end, or did you ignore it because it was regarding Afghanistan

Iam sorry if you taken my comment in the wrong way i just felt it would be very nice of you to post videos supporting an comment in regards to pashtuns of pashtunkhwa but hey thank you very much roara about your supportive video towards my comment, no hard feelings

[imb706]

Sure, not all muslims are terrorist, but the majority of muslims do a very poor job condemning terrorism.

http://www.democracynow.org/2006/2/7/freedom_of_speech_or_incitement_to

Here´s a debate where a lesbian feminist muslim (and self-proclaimed worst nightmare of Osama Bin Ladin) tries to smack some sense into muslims that their reaction towards those cartoons was idiotic, and to stop trying to counter any criticism of themselves with Jew bashing and such, pretty much to no avail.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2515587181120245843#

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6a-YgZgwQ8

Undercover Mosque and Undercover Mosque: The Return. The undercover reporters were muslims themselves, and the majority of the critical host featured on the documentaries are muslims. These aren´t from Geert Wilders far right perserve white christian culture, the criticism I´m featuring comes mostly from muslims themselves, which unfortunately are a minority voice on this subject.

Also, look at what muslims (and some misguided leftist) focused on in their criticisms of the Muhammad cartoons. Other than the obvious fact they were offended that one of their revered icons was insulted, they focused on assumptions made up mostly by their own preconceptions, which were shown to be out of touch with reality. They loved talking about how the Danish newspaper didn´t run cartoons lampooing Jesus Christ a few years ago, trying to prove that Christianity is never mocked in the Western media. Give me a break, Christianity is fair game and is constantly made up of, insulted, parodied and outright attacked in even mainstream media. Need an historical example? Go look at Piss Christ, and yes that´s the title of the painting. And of course, muslims, as noted above, immediately became obsessed with Jews and countering everything with messages of anti-semitism and jewish conspiracy theories. They began drawing blanat and graphic anti-semitic cartoons in an attempt to counter the Danish cartoons, despite the fact jews were not involved in the cartoons, and that the danish artist found the concept so funny, they lent these muslims a hand! Israelis would later host an anti-semitic cartoon contest themselves!

In the UK, far right muslims pretty much have a party that represents them called RESPECT (which by the way, started off as a coalition of far left wing parties such as the Marxist Leninist Party of Britian, strangely enough. Why they let themselves get hijacked by muslim conservatives, well, who knows) which while not very successful (mostly becuase there isn´t many muslims in Britian), is pretty much the party muslim conservatives allign with if they vote. The party is has a notoriously bad record on support of gay rights and on condemning muslim terrorism.

So in a nutshell, muslims don´t do a good job condemning terrorism, in the same way the US anti war movement just dissolved after the 2008 elections and what´s left largely is inactive and is terrible at condemning US actions in Afghanistan and Iraq (look at the common response from ¨the left¨ on the recent Wikileaks videos).gl

[MazloomyarMaseed]

Sure, not all muslims are terrorist, but the majority of muslims do a very poor job condemning terrorism.

http://www.democracynow.org/2006/2/7/freedom_of_speech_or_incitement_to

Here´s a debate where a lesbian feminist muslim (and self-proclaimed worst nightmare of Osama Bin Ladin) tries to smack some sense into muslims that their reaction towards those cartoons was idiotic, and to stop trying to counter any criticism of themselves with Jew bashing and such, pretty much to no avail.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2515587181120245843#

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6a-YgZgwQ8

Undercover Mosque and Undercover Mosque: The Return. The undercover reporters were muslims themselves, and the majority of the critical host featured on the documentaries are muslims. These aren´t from Geert Wilders far right perserve white christian culture, the criticism I´m featuring comes mostly from muslims themselves.

In the UK, far right muslims pretty much have a party that represents them called RESPECT (which by the way, started off as a coalition of far left wing parties such as the Marxist Leninist Party of Britian, strangely enough. Why they let themselves get hijacked by muslim conservatives, well, who knows) which while not very successful (mostly becuase there isn´t many muslims in Britian), is pretty much the party muslim conservatives allign with if they vote.

So in a nutshell, muslims don´t do a good job condemning terrorism, in the same way the US anti war movement just dissolved after the 2008 elections and what´s left largely is inactive and is terrible at condemning US actions in Afghanistan and Iraq (look at the common response from ¨the left¨ on the recent Wikileaks videos). It

The only people who oppose RESPECT party always turns out to be some Pro Khazar Israeli supporter, so mr IMB why bring them into it, secondly, its a logical fact, that oppresson and acts that were commited in abu gharib by your peace loving American army, played a big role in radicalising Muslims worldwide.

Imgine, if Muslims invaded Israel, I bet you would be shipped and directed to kill Muslims everywhere there may be to serve israel.

The source of terrorism is in your own country not soley in the muslim world.

IMB iam amazed how you brought up RESPECT party into this topic and thread. We know your an Israeli Jew, why hide it? Ive noticed from your responses that you become very sensitive when it comes down to comments about khazars and jews and especially about the holocaust. What is your motive here IMB on a Pashtun forum?

Do you want us to accept Israeli and Khazar domination or do you simply want us to accept what ever non sense that comes out of you???

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

imb706, you have brought up a very interesting issue forward, dear. The Muslims who do condemn this sort of heinous acts of violence are a huge silent majority. This is heart wrenching.

[ozymandias]

He is not a Muslim. He is business partner of George Bush.

A Muslim with a nice heart will never do that.

Well, in that case, no true American would ever support attacking innocent people, or attacking anyone in the Middle East.

See? I can use the 'No True Scotsman' fallacy, too. No true Catholic would ever support pedophila -- that must mean that the Pope is not Catholic. No true Christian would ever be hateful -- those homophobic people must not be Christian. Let's ignore the fact that they say no true Christian would support homosexuality -- or women's rights.


The point remains that regardless of how his religious teachings line up with yours, he is still Muslim -- and in facthe is likely arguing that you are not a True Muslim, since you failed to take up the jihad against America.

[ozymandias]

^exactly!

Many dont consider Osama as Muslim

So? Unfortunately, thanks to the modern wonder of languages called a 'dictionary' it is easy to see that they are wrong.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Well, in that case, no true American would ever support attacking innocent people, or attacking anyone in the Middle East.

See? I can use the 'No True Scotsman' fallacy, too. No true Catholic would ever support pedophila -- that must mean that the Pope is not Catholic. No true Christian would ever be hateful -- those homophobic people must not be Christian. Let's ignore the fact that they say no true Christian would support homosexuality -- or women's rights.


The point remains that regardless of how his religious teachings line up with yours, he is still Muslim -- and in facthe is likely arguing that you are not a True Muslim, since you failed to take up the jihad against America.

Dear friend, I don't deny that he is a Muslim. However, these sorts of approaches to conflict resolution is not Islamic.

[ozymandias]

A terrorist has no religion.

A terrorist can be any religion.

[ozymandias]

I hope I don't offend anyone, but I believe that we cannot judge who is a Muslim and who is not--this right is reserved for Allah and only Allah Jalla Shaanuhu! If someone verbally declares that he or she is not a Muslim, that is a different story all together.

Not true. Your god can assess if they were a *GOOD* Muslim, or the *RIGHT KIND* of Muslim (based on that God's definition), but since we have a definition of the word, we can assess whether a particular person meets the definition or not. It's quite simple, really.

I feel short changed when I see the Western media attacking Islam based on a few hooligans. It is unfair.

You are not attacked based on a few hooligans, you are 'attacked' because those hooligans are not cast out and shunned by your culture, and because you let nations create laws in the name of your religion that are barbaric.

Islam has been systematically targeted.

No more so than any other race, color, or creed.

Unfortunately, when some Muslims stand up to defend Islam they are no better than those who were the cause in the first place.

Not if they defend it like civilized people.

The Western media only portrays images of uncivilized Muslims to paint a picture of Muslims in general. This is not fair.

We Muslims should beat them in their own game. This is only possible when we use less emotion and more obedience to what our beloved Prophet (saw) left for us, his example.

Any way I can help you in this noble quest?

The Meccans tired every sort of smearing campaign against him (saw). However, he was resolute and patient. He defeated them in the end with steadfastedness to his (saw) belief.

[MazloomyarMaseed]

A terrorist can be any religion.

what if a jew was a friend of a holocaust denier, would jews consider him as a real jew or even a fellow Jew?