Islamic reaction to radical Muslims

[MazloomyarMaseed]

I agree, however the Danish Cartoonist, and South Park were not invading, so the defense argument does not work.

If you insult those who are very sensitive to their faith but produce laws that prohibit the questioning of the jewish holocaust on the grounds that the jewish faith is very sensitive in that regard, then why the double standards Mr American?

[ozymandias]

Ozy dear.

PPashtuns had nothing to do with 9/11 They have no evidence of any Pashtuns blowing up the otwers or etc.

Nope -- but anyone defending terrorism is associating themselves with those acts by Muslim Extremists.

how do you explain the American army presence in the Pashtun heartlands?Just because you think we migt do something in the future?

False intel, and poor decision making on behalf of G.W. Bush, and Obama not pulling troops out fast enough. Part of the original reasons used to sell this to the American population was that known terrorist cells were using that region as a base. I currently get the impression that few people believe that, and that the withdrawl is going slow to save face and to avoid creating unneccisary instability.

Pashtuns were the very same people America supported to defeat the Russians.

So you support Pashtuns, you make Pashtuns collapse the soviet union. When Pashtuns do not take your order(they are very proud) you label them extremist?

Nope.

Taliban is a group of students from Kandahar who took over with the help of the USA. When the Taliban does not take your order and refuses to e your puppet. You start a propaganda how they hate women education, how they are radicals how they are extremists. How they are backward?

First of all, from what I have observed the Taliban first turned on the USA, not the other way around. Second of all, it's not just the Taliban that are accused of repressing women. There are many cases out of the Muslim world with backwards, repressive laws concerning women's rights.

Media can do a lot I must say. What amuses me is how the USA loved and supported Mujahedeen. But when you realize they aren't monkey says monkey do. You use media to depict them as bad ppl. You create fake flogging ideos saying hey look it's the Taliban.

like another member said here,
you try to win the support of the world by saying look in Kabul the women now wear skirts. But we all know that is nonsense and lies.

I'm sorry equal rights to women is nonsense? Or the fact that their rights are so behind the times that the ability to wear skirts is progress is nonsense?

[ozymandias]

If you insult those who are very sensitive to their faith but produce laws that prohibit the questioning of the jewish holocaust on the grounds that the jewish faith is very sensitive in that regard, then why the double standards Mr American?

As far as I know the only country with such laws is Germany, and the reason they gave for those laws is that they are actively working to stomp out any association that the modern country has with Nazism -- a black mark on their history.

Again with the comments about the Holocaust denials. What is the obsession around here with that example? Everyone seems to bring it up and say that the USA prohibits Holocaust Denial like that is a common problem they have.

[ozymandias]

Seriously, if you want to make yourself look like a moron, there is no law I know of prohibiting Holocaust Denial.

Made that a separate post -- hopefully people will read it.

[MazloomyarMaseed]

Seriously, if you want to make yourself look like a moron, there is no law I know of prohibiting Holocaust Denial.

Made that a separate post -- hopefully people will read it.

But why is the American media so defensive when it comes to Jews but very open when it comes to Muslims. I remember a time when every terrorist attack was blaimed on the Communists, now its the turn of Muslims. One bomb blows New york but 1000 blows Afghanistan, what difference is there?

I am not forcing you to say anything, iam just giving a very good example of the Jews and how they are protected by your government and Media.

Anyway, do you agree, that due to religion this beautiful world will crumble, because i beleive so, Iam not insulting my faith, but its become a business for sects to be developed and used for war fare or power.

[Master Khan]

Wasn't it US that nuked Hiroshima & Nagasaki in Japan that killed 90,000–166,000 people in Hiroshima and 60,000–80,000 in Nagasaki?

[abubaker]

I think it is your inability to separate emotions such as anger from physical violence. The more adult, and civilized response to anger is to discuss and seek to remedy the situation through legal, political, and ethical means -- not attack, or justify the attacks, on those that anger us.

tell that to the jews in israel, illegaly occupying palestinian lands and committing a holocaust of thier own

[MazloomyarMaseed]

tell that to the jews in israel, illegaly occupying palestinian lands and committing a holocaust of thier own

but why did the arabs sell their land to the european jews in the first place, just because jews made something out of a waste land given to them.

Plus due to arabs failure in the winning the war, the arabs lost alot of land. Arabs are to be blaimed and its very clever how they bring islam into it to get back up!

[Master Khan]

Arabia so dalagaan gi.

[MazloomyarMaseed]

Arabia so dalagaan gi.

Of course they are....When Israel told them not to attack, those arabs attacked and lost the war in 6 days, its funny because during the time, who came to support the Arab Musulman when Israel was at war with them, yes you got it, it was the Soviet Union who did, they supplied the Arabs with the first time sophisiticated weapons, but arabs put it all to waste due to bad combat skills. When they lost the war,Palestinians lost their land and got expelled as a consquence.

You ever met a Palestinian, they are so arrogant people you can ever meet, same with Libyans, they got a very bad attitude problems, and come to UK, you will see these same Jihadi Arabs chasing white womans and begging to be european citizens.

As we Pashtuns are the only ones, sadly to say who truely fight for Relgion but very badly misguided in the sense that we slaughter our own to please outsiders in the name of Islam, I have alot of respect for people such as Mullah Zaeef, he is probably the only talib i adore and respect, as hes a real Pashtun, he is the brave one who refused Pakistan to be involved in the Afghan peace talks with the Taliban.

If Taliban get into peace talks without ISI involvement and other Arabun, then Afghanistan will be at Peace and i dont care who rules over Afghanistan as long as their people are respected, progressive and do not slaughter their own to serve others interests, and i too will change my ways and views just to support it with a real pashtun heart.

If Taliban truely love Afghanistan and stop crying for ISI agents such as COl imam and Aafia siddiqui, then I will too support them into peace talks with no conditions but the total withdrawal of foreign troops and a stable Afghan government who Afghans support and vote to be their leaders.

However i do not support ISI/Saudi Invented Laws placed upon Afghans, I support our Pashtunwali but however reformed to suit the needs of every Afghan, I also can not stress more that Relgion without a doubt has to play some part in our lifes, this is something one can not just avoid, but due to my experience with these so called relgionous enlighten ones, their teachings and beleifs have gone beyond the realm of spreading the word of peace, but has indulged into the circle of dirty Politics.

[ozymandias]

But why is the American media so defensive when it comes to Jews but very open when it comes to Muslims.

What channels are *YOU* watching? It's fair game for all religions.

I remember a time when every terrorist attack was blaimed on the Communists, now its the turn of Muslims. One bomb blows New york but 1000 blows Afghanistan, what difference is there?

The purpose of the bombs, the targets of the bomb and the sender of the bomb.

Is it all that hard to understand? Bombs blowing up military targets is a whole lot different than a bomb going of in a high population civilian center for the sole purpose of causing death and terror.

I am not forcing you to say anything, iam just giving a very good example of the Jews and how they are protected by your government and Media.

When is this example going to be made? I'll wait patiently.

Anyway, do you agree, that due to religion this beautiful world will crumble, because i beleive so, Iam not insulting my faith, but its become a business for sects to be developed and used for war fare or power.

Most definitely. More people have died and gone to war over religious reasons than any other single cause in the history of the world.

[ozymandias]

Wasn't it US that nuked Hiroshima & Nagasaki in Japan that killed 90,000–166,000 people in Hiroshima and 60,000–80,000 in Nagasaki?

Indeed it was, and that is one of the most, if not the most, despicable acts this government has ever done.

It's typically stated that that was done in order to stop the war and save more lives in the long run, but personally, I feel that a demonstration of power should have been made that did not cost so many lives.

[ozymandias]

tell that to the jews in israel, illegaly occupying palestinian lands and committing a holocaust of thier own

I say this to all people, everywhere, no matter what it is they are doing.

[ozymandias]

Ozymandias.

Have you ever wondered how the world came in place?

Not really. Science easily explains this.

Who is our creator?

Nobody.

Or did everything just start the way it is?

Nope.

[ozymandias]

Nobody is our creator?

Of course not -- absent any evidence or logical arguments to that, what else makes sense to believe?

We are just here to have fun,die and leave?

I'd say it is more like we are here to spread our genes.

How much sense does that make now?

Quite a bit more than the alternative.

Oh, and these apply to your arguement:


and less so: