Islamic reaction to radical Muslims

[Master Khan]

Ok then Men, Now why you think That I support terrorism Mr ozymandias?

[ozymandias]

Ok then Men, Now why you think That I support terrorism Mr ozymandias?

I think it is your inability to separate emotions such as anger from physical violence. The more adult, and civilized response to anger is to discuss and seek to remedy the situation through legal, political, and ethical means -- not attack, or justify the attacks, on those that anger us.

[Master Khan]

I think it is your inability to separate emotions such as anger from physical violence. The more adult, and civilized response to anger is to discuss and seek to remedy the situation through legal, political, and ethical means -- not attack, or justify the attacks, on those that anger us.

umm.. So you think I am violence.

[ozymandias]

umm.. So you think I am violence.

Actually, I think you are an internet tough guy, that doesn't really think the repercussions of what you say online through. I am not convinced you would be violent in person, but you seem to have no problem advocating and supporting violent solutions to emotional problems online.

It's either that, or you are a very clever internet troll set out to defame the Islamic community. If so, bravo, 10/10!

I'm actually surprised you consistently keep making a single post that both claims you do not support terrorism, and then manage to support terrorism in the same post.

[Master Khan]

Actually, I think you are an internet tough guy, that doesn't really think the repercussions of what you say online through. I am not convinced you would be violent in person, but you seem to have no problem advocating and supporting violent solutions to emotional problems online.

It's either that, or you are a very clever internet troll set out to defame the Islamic community. If so, bravo, 10/10!

I'm actually surprised you consistently keep making a single post that both claims you do not support terrorism, and then manage to support terrorism in the same post.

hahahahaha, Dude you got it all wrong.
I Haven't even beat anyone up yet in the UK, and I am not a troll, I am pashtun on a Pashtun forum.
I think killing innocent people is wrong, if I support terrorism then that means I support the killings of Innocent, which I don't my friend.
I don't think terrorist are after that Danish cartoon dude, Assassins are after him.

[ozymandias]

hahahahaha, Dude you got it all wrong.
I Haven't even beat anyone up yet in the UK, and I am not a troll, I am pashtun on a Pashtun forum.

Internet tough guy it is.

I think killing innocent people is wrong,

Really? Not long ago you supported killing innocent cartoonists.

if I support terrorism then that means I support the killings of Innocent, which I don't my friend.

Multiple personalities? Multiple posters using one account?

I don't think terrorist are after that Danish cartoon dude, Assassins are after him.

... You are aware that those assassins would be terrorists, right?

[Master Khan]

Internet tough guy it is.



Really? Not long ago you supported killing innocent cartoonists.



Multiple personalities? Multiple posters using one account?



... You are aware that those assassins would be terrorists, right?

Yeah people want to assassinate him..not terrorise him.
But he is safe, he got full protection from the goverment and he will be fine.

[ozymandias]

Yeah people want to assassinate him..not terrorise him.

Ok, third option -- you might just be a moron. You do realize that terrorists occasionally kill one person (say, an innocent Danish cartoonist) that did something they did not like in order to make other people too terrified to do anything they don't like, right? That's the whole point of terrorists. 9/11 was not about terrorizing the people in the towers -- it was about KILLING them, and TERRORIZING everyone else.

But he is safe, he got full protection from the goverment and he will be fine.

Oh, so the fact that he now has to live under constant government protection, and is not free to move around safely makes it ok?

Seriously?

[Free Thinker]

Who is and who isn't a terrorist is subject to a persons interpretation.

I myself believe the American foreign policy is a terrorist policy. The United States has no right to label people as terrorist when they are involved in mass killings and assassinations since the beginning of its establishment. Let us not forget ourselves before we point the finger at another person.

[Master Khan]

^I agree with you completely.

The U.S.A invade the Pashtun lands and say 'terrorists' when al they are now doing is defending their lands from invaders and they have now clue why the Americans are there to begin with.

Yeah we have the right to defend our land.

[tor_khan]

Who is and who isn't a terrorist is subject to a persons interpretation.

I myself believe the American foreign policy is a terrorist policy. The United States has no right to label people as terrorist when they are involved in mass killings and assassinations since the beginning of its establishment. Let us not forget ourselves before we point the finger at another person.

It didn't help that President Bush really was little more than a simpleton when it came to presenting a reasonable argument. His backers, and the architects of this mess, famously allowed him to get away with saying, "You're either with us or against us" - pretty much holding everyone to ransom. The world isn't black or white - there are many, many shades of grey and it stinks of imperialism and bullying when the Americans decide that the world should choose to side with the Americans or side with the terrorists.

It was never that simple, but Bush presented it as such, because Bush himself was simple. Pakistan played the game, dropped overt support for the Talibaan, but that didn't help in any way whatsoever.

Sure the world was horrified at 911, but the response - Bush's response was to shoot from the hip and think later - has cost us all dearly. Nine years on, I ask the question - remind me again, what is US military's role in Afghanistan?

[ozymandias]

Who is and who isn't a terrorist is subject to a persons interpretation.

While the definition of 'terrorist' is a bit vague, some things clearly meet the vast majority of definitions, and some things clearly do not.

I myself believe the American foreign policy is a terrorist policy.

That is your right, but I would argue that since it is a military action, against minitary targets, and designed to minimize the terror of civilians, it does not count as terrorism.

The United States has no right to label people as terrorist when they are involved in mass killings and assassinations since the beginning of its establishment. Let us not forget ourselves before we point the finger at another person.

They have every right to label people that meet the core definition of terrorist 'terrorist'.

[ozymandias]

^I agree with you completely.

The U.S.A invade the Pashtun lands and say 'terrorists' when al they are now doing is defending their lands from invaders and they have now clue why the Americans are there to begin with.

I'm sorry, but no one does this, or at least not in any large numbers. They are not terrorists for defending -- they are typically labeled 'insurgents' -- it is people like the people attacking the Twin Towers, or the Danish Cartoonists, or rioting and burning down embassies, or sending death threats to civilians that are called terrorists.

I have never heard of a defender called a terrorist -- unless that 'defender' blew up a bus of civilians -- and that is clearly a terrorist.

[ozymandias]

Yeah we have the right to defend our land.

I agree, however the Danish Cartoonist, and South Park were not invading, so the defense argument does not work.

[pukhtana]

Ozy dear.

PPashtuns had nothing to do with 9/11 They have no evidence of any Pashtuns blowing up the otwers or etc.

how do you explain the American army presence in the Pashtun heartlands?Just because you think we migt do something in the future?


Pashtuns were the very same people America supported to defeat the Russians.

So you support Pashtuns, you make Pashtuns collapse the soviet union. When Pashtuns do not take your order(they are very proud) you label them extremist?


Taliban is a group of students from Kandahar who took over with the help of the USA. When the Taliban does not take your order and refuses to e your puppet. You start a propaganda how they hate women education, how they are radicals how they are extremists. How they are backward?


Media can do a lot I must say. What amuses me is how the USA loved and supported Mujahedeen. But when you realize they aren't monkey says monkey do. You use media to depict them as bad ppl. You create fake flogging ideos saying hey look it's the Taliban.

like another member said here,
you try to win the support of the world by saying look in Kabul the women now wear skirts. But we all know that is nonsense and lies.