Islamic reaction to radical Muslims

[ozymandias]

You failed to understand my point, the matter of drawing Prophet Muhammad is raised as an infringement of "freedom" of speech right ? and the argument is that it infringes the very basic principles of "freedom" that modern socities are or should be formed on ?

Yes.

My point is how can you expect them to understand these principles of right and wrong when you yourself waged an unjust war against muslims based on these exact same principles.

... what?

First of all, there is no war against Muslims by America that I have ever heard of. The only formal wars we are currently engaged in are against countries based on past transgressions (either real, or perceived real at the time of declaration of war, and/or commencement of hostilities.)

There are also wars on things like Terror, Poverty, and Drugs -- but these are more of an ideological and societal push -- the 'War' in the name is more of a marketing ploy than a description of military action.

Besides, two wrongs do not make a right.

Normally speaking yes ofcourse issuing death threats is wrong, but can you say that ?

Can. Do. Often.

no you cannot..because the principles and the laws that govern right and wrong in your country are the very same principles you used as a banner to wage war against muslims.

Again, no war against Muslims. Also, right and wrong trancend laws. Slavery is wrong -- even if and when it is legal. Rape is wrong, even if you are in a country that blames the woman.

[imb706]

^respect our faith and we respect ur rules.

Yeah, but ¨öur rules¨ say its no problem to disrespect your ¨faith¨ so theres the clash. If you dont like it, then just ignore it and stay in your part of the world.

[ozymandias]

don't make a tissue paper out of our religion.

Free speech means no enforced special treatment.

some Muslims were violent I agree but they are sensitive.

I disagree. The connotations for 'sensitive' gloss over the evil that is terrorism, and the word does not go far enough. I think it would be more appropriate to describe them as 'overly easy to anger' or 'irrationally sensitive', if you must stick with that word. Sensitivity carries an implied amount of empathy, and terrorists have to be the least empathic people on the planet, or they could not do what they do.

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They are making fun of our beloved prophet.

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No special treatment.

we respect you. You respect ours.

They respected you far more than they did other religions -- and they respected you far more than any terrorist ever has. They simply called some Muslims terrorists-- the terrorists *PROVED* that some Muslims are terrorists.

How is saying that Mohammad is the founder of a religion used by terrorists any more disrespectful than turning the religion he founded to terrorist causes?

[Punjabi]

^ok and if you intentionally make fun of it. There will be consequences. Wink wink.

[Punjabi]

Muhammad is not the founder of Islam.

Islam has been since day 1 he is just the seal of prophets.


Yea they respected us.

they send us to torture cells gunatanomo bay and you call this respect?

[ozymandias]

^respect our faith and we respect ur rules.

our fait has our rules.

*YOUR* faith has *YOUR* rules -- do not force them on people not of *your* faith. Neither South Park's writers, nor the Danish cartoonists are of *YOUR* religion, thus *THEY* don't have to follow *YOUR* rules.

*YOU* don't even have to follow *THEIR* rules -- *YOU* just have to allow *THEM* to follow *THEIR* rules -- just like *THEY* will let *YOU* do.

Understand yet?

[imb706]

^ok and if you intentionally make fun of it. There will be consequences. Wink wink.

Yeah, if Im good enough at it, theyll give me a position at Cargenie Hall.

[ozymandias]

Yeah, but ¨öur rules¨ say its no problem to disrespect your ¨faith¨ so theres the clash. If you dont like it, then just ignore it and stay in your part of the world.

Forget staying in any part of the world -- live where you want -- but just don't read a paper if it offends you, change the channel if a show offends you.

[Talal]

Yes.



... what?

First of all, there is no war against Muslims by America that I have ever heard of. The only formal wars we are currently engaged in are against countries based on past transgressions (either real, or perceived real at the time of declaration of war, and/or commencement of hostilities.)

What transgressions ? Saddam Hussein was the biggest US ally, you guys put him there..and Taliban ?..well just tell me if you can recognize any of these people







US Senator Hamphery Garden US Senator Hamphery Garden at lunch with Mujahideen.



US Judge Webster – The CIA Chief


US Senator Charles Wilson


Two wrongs do not make a right.

Then stop killing innocent people in Iraq, so far the figure sits at more than 100,000 people -> iraqbodycount.org


Again, no war against Muslims. Also, right and wrong trancend laws. Slavery is wrong -- even if and when it is legal. Rape is wrong, even if you are in a country that blames the woman.

Laws define right and wrong, these laws were the tools you used to justify that barbaric war on Iraq, when you put the same stooges in power using the very same laws.

And no were against muslims ? so its just a coincidence that most of casualties happen to be those of muslims ?

The point being simple, dont brag about freedom of expression or freedom of free speech when you have used the very same principles to take freedom and speech from these people. Excuse us if we are not so "courteous" to these principles of yours.

[ozymandias]

^ok and if you intentionally make fun of it. There will be consequences. Wink wink.

And if you violate other people's basic human rights, their will be consequences -- like people calling you a terrorist, or the prophet you hide behind getting disrespected.

Once again, free speech is a basic, universal human right. The right to not be offended simply does not exist.

[Son of Mountains]

America is the bone of contention in all over the world. America is actual terrorist country. Why you people do not look upon yourself. Leave our countries as we are, stop attacking on them, leave killing of our people. Do not poke your nose in our matters. Then there will be no terrorism at all. Tit for tat..!

[ozymandias]

Muhammad is not the founder of Islam.

Islam has been since day 1 he is just the seal of prophets.

0 difference.

Yea they respected us.

they send us to torture cells gunatanomo bay and you call this respect?

I'm sorry -- what did the Danish Cartoonist have to do with 'torture cells' in an American Military institution? Since when did Matt Stone and Trey Parker lead the US and UN military?

[imb706]

If people want some trivia, Iran published anti-semitic cartoons in response to the Danish cartoons, because um...well, I guess they blamed DUR JUDE on the cartoons. http://www.rationalrevolution.net/bl...try_id=1411591

[ozymandias]

The point being simple, dont brag about freedom of expression or freedom of free speech when you have used the very same principles to take freedom and speech from these people.

Who's freedom of speech is being limited? Terrorism is not protected as free speech.

Excuse us if we are not so "courteous" to these principles of yours.

No excuses, no excusing.

[ozymandias]

America is the bone of contention in all over the world.

Agreed. Many people are on both sides of the issue.

America is actual terrorist country.

Name one government sanctioned act of terrorism preformed by America.

Why you people do not look upon yourself. Leave our countries as we are, stop attacking on them, leave killing of our people. Do not poke your nose in our matters.

Many of the victims of terrorism were doing just that. The Danish cartoonist was not doing any of that, and yet is a victim.

Then there will be no terrorism at all. Tit for tat..!

Not at all -- and appeasing the terrorists to avoid terrorists is a terrible idea. Do you really want amoral, evil men dictating how you can live your life?