Shia Islam for Dummies: Ask Those who Know

[Dreamer]

Muawiyya went 2 war with his caliph
appointed his laanatie dog of a son as a king
and ensured caliphate turned in2 a monarchy.... wow great achievements...

[Dreamer]

Who are the 12 amirs!

[Dreamer]

Muawiyya lusted after power and was prepared to kill 4 it... Imam Hassan made a pact with him that he cld have the leadership of the worldly life providing Imam Hussain took over again 2 preserve the peace,, but your muawiyya made his son king

[Dreamer]

I think we can safely say u are a naseebee

[abubaker]

UR NOT GRASPING THAT I DO NOT ACCEPT THE TERM SAHIH either shia or sunni.... if its against quran its out! but then we cant expect much frm u can we since u bang on abt the same retoric

you are not a hadith scholar so you have know authority to over rule your ulama no matter what you say those ahadith are considered sahi by your scholars

this one of the shia traits when you conrar them they either start doing tqyyah or they start denying certain aspects of there own beliefs

as you can see from my post the relateves appointed by Uthman [ra] were less then those appointed by Ali [ra] so then you accuse one of nepotism and not the other

this only shows your immense hatred toward the sahaba [ra]

[Dreamer]

and a pretty unintelligent one at at that!

[Dreamer]

you are not a hadith scholar so you have know authority to over rule your ulama no matter what you say those ahadith are considered sahi by your scholars

this one of the shia traits when you conrar them they either start doing tqyyah or they start denying certain aspects of there own beliefs

as you can see from my post the relateves appointed by Uthman [ra] were less then those appointed by Ali [ra] so then you accuse one of nepotism and not the other

this only shows your immense hatred toward the sahaba [ra]

again u are running away.... just answer the question who are the 12 amirs! he comited nepotoism.... nothing u can say will change that.... Imam realitives were nt corrupt.... calihs 3 were

[Dreamer]

see the diff????
Imam may have appointed his realitives but they were not corrupt! banu ummaya on the whole were!

[Dreamer]

Anyway Im done talking 2 u naseebee.... u cant answer a simple question like who the 12 amirs were so bye bye... have fun defending muawiyya and yazeed and the rest of the persecuters of the prophets family

[abubaker]

I think we can safely say u are a naseebee

loooooooooooooooooooooooooool, i have been accused of being a wahabi but never this


if by that you mean sunni then yeas with out a doubt and iam proud of it, but i know what that term means as i have said it before we sunni love all the khulafa ar-rashideen we don't discriminate like your people

[Dreamer]

naseebee.... thats what u are .... many wahabais are 2! u have much in common

[Dreamer]

learn what a nasebee is 1st then talk

[abubaker]

Anyway Im done talking 2 u naseebee.... u cant answer a simple question like who the 12 amirs were so bye bye... have fun defending muawiyya and yazeed and the rest of the persecuters of the prophets family

i have refuted your claims regarding the nepotism of utman [ra] and muawyah so now your running

admit it the allegations are unfounded

[Dreamer]

Im not discriminating... they made errors... u make tjem 2 be infalliable....

[Dreamer]

i have refuted your claims regarding the nepotism of utman [ra] and muawyah so now your running

admit it the allegations are unfounded

its not unfounded.... why did he dismiss abu dar whne he complained about the banu unmaya? why did he appoint corrupt ppl from his family 2 posts? thats NEPOTISM a word u didnt knw of untill I told u what it was! answer who the 12 amirs are...