Shia Islam for Dummies: Ask Those who Know

[abubaker]

he is lying first he tells me is a shia and now in this very thread he claims he is not

[Dreamer]

Shia in the political sense as was hz miqdad as as salman al farsi etc

[Dreamer]

U concentrate on answering those questions.... u Ummayad lovers are very good at running away from the truth and avoiding the issues

[Dreamer]

It really does seem u cant understand what I am trying 2 show u... that the term SHIA which I say I am existed in the prophets time .... separate it from todays meaning of shia....

[abubaker]

so you are a shiah

[Dreamer]

As approved by the prophet yes! (in the political meaning of the word)
Sorry ur feeble mind cant comprehend the meaning... ur 2 busy in declaring others kaffir while being unable 2 defend ur beliefs or stance!

[Dreamer]

A simple analogy.... shia then meant political supporter Of Imam Ali
I say I am that
2day Shia means something else... a seperate sect having its origins in the above but distinct from it
much like how gay before meant happy but had now come 2 mean something else

[abubaker]

so your setting your self up so that you wont be held accountable for the views of current day shiah even though you share their beliefs

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ok so lets start with start with one thing at a time

tell me your views regarding sqiffa

[Dreamer]

and I told u whn I 1st told u that thats what I meant... all u see is the word shia and such is ur hatered for Imam Ali and the ahle bayt that u start associating it with the modern meaning because any support of their claims 2 the caliphate is a threat 2 u

[Dreamer]

so your setting your self up so that you wont be held accountable for the views of current day shiah even though you share their beliefs

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ok so lets start with start with one thing at a time

tell me your views regarding sqiffa

Has been explained..... Would u say the same 2 Abu dar? the same 2 yassar bin amar? the same 2 salaman al farsi? all them were SHIA (politically of Imam) I have shown u that the 3 caliphs made mistakes .... I have shown u that certain sahaba that u revere so much did what they did 2 Imam at places like siffan yet u bleet the same tune....

[abubaker]

A simple analogy.... shia then meant political supporter Of Imam Ali
I say I am that
2day Shia means something else... a seperate sect having its origins in the above but distinct from it
much like how gay before meant happy but had now come 2 mean something else

buddy those shiahs were the sabaite the same people how murdered the third khaliffa, the same people whome ali [ra]

Nahjul Balagha, Sermon 91

“You should know that you have again reverted to the position of the [pagan] Bedouin Arabs after immigration to Islam, and have become different Shias after having been once united. You do not possess anything of Islam except its name, and know nothing of belief save its show. You would throw down Islam on its face in order to defame its honor and break its pledge for brotherhood which Allah gave you as a sacred trust on His earth and a source of peace among the people…You have broken the shackles of Islam, have transgressed its limits, and have destroyed its commands!”

[Dreamer]

I have used Bukhari 2 show the 12 imams were the rightful caliphs yet u can only name 5 amirs I can name 12

[abubaker]

Has been explained..... Would u say the same 2 Abu dar? the same 2 yassar bin amar? the same 2 salaman al farsi? all them were SHIA (politically of Imam) I have shown u that the 3 caliphs made mistakes .... I have shown u that certain sahaba that u revere so much did what they did 2 Imam at places like siffan yet u bleet the same tune....

and what mistakes

[Dreamer]

buddy those shiahs were the sabaite the same people how murdered the third khaliffa, the same people whome ali [ra]

Nahjul Balagha, Sermon 91

“You should know that you have again reverted to the position of the [pagan] Bedouin Arabs after immigration to Islam, and have become different Shias after having been once united. You do not possess anything of Islam except its name, and know nothing of belief save its show. You would throw down Islam on its face in order to defame its honor and break its pledge for brotherhood which Allah gave you as a sacred trust on His earth and a source of peace among the people…You have broken the shackles of Islam, have transgressed its limits, and have destroyed its commands!”

Nahj Al baglgaha is not wholly authentic, portions of it certainly came from Imam but others are largely doubtful... He had many supporters,,, some who remained loyal 2 him as the sahaba I mentioned.... (or do u deny that he had any supporters?) and some that deserted him such as the ppl of Kufa

[Dreamer]

and what mistakes

nepotisim
witholding fadak from prophets daughter and useing flawed logic 2 defend themselves (see quran showing prophets do leave heirs)
innovating things like congregational taraevee