Shia Islam for Dummies: Ask Those who Know

[abubaker]

I have used Bukhari 2 show the 12 imams were the rightful caliphs yet u can only name 5 amirs I can name 12

first you show me a single verse from the quran that even hints at your conept of imamah

[Dreamer]

Who are the 12 amirs!? just answer that!

[Dreamer]

first you show me a single verse from the quran that even hints at your conept of imamah

Comes from ur book BUKHARI
the seerah attests to Imam Ali being the successor of prophet.
Caliph 1 was meant 2 be in a regiment deployed outside of Medina but disobeyed orders and remained as did caliph 2 when prophet was dying

[Dreamer]

I already told u that i dont accept the belief of imamate....

[abubaker]

Nahj Al baglgaha is not wholly authentic, portions of it certainly came from Imam but others are largely doubtful... He had many supporters,,, some who remained loyal 2 him as the sahaba I mentioned.... (or do u deny that he had any supporters?) and some that deserted him such as the ppl of Kufa

the above was taken from the the shia website al islam.org no where does it say what you are telling me

[abubaker]

[QUOTE=Dreamer;141261]I already told u that i dont accept the belief of imamate....[quote]

then what the reason behind asking who the 12 amirs are

[Dreamer]

dude u really are stupid.... answer me who the 12 amirs are
answer me why quran contradicts Caliphs 1 reasons for witholding fadak from bibi Fatima
answer me why did Muawiyya not stop cursing of Imam Ali from the pulpits of syria which he governed
answer me why did caliph 3 commit nepotism?
U HAVE SO FAR FAILED

[Dreamer]

then what the reason behind asking who the 12 amirs are, your the retarded buddy

lol me retarded? coming from u thats rich!.... I know who the 12 amirs are.... the ahle bayt was always meant 2 rule the ummah.... those hadith which I posted show that clearly! as does history!

[Dreamer]

and its not as if they are shia hadith... they are ur own SUNNI hadith

[Dreamer]

the 12 imams were meant 2 be the rightful political caliphs of the ummah
imamate is the belief taht they knew everything that was is and shall be and that they had other supernatural powers..... know the distinction!

[Dreamer]

I never once said I believe that the 12 imams had such "powers"
I support them as the legitimate rulers of the umma at the expense of the dynasty ur beloved muawiyya ( who could think only of filling his belly -again see hadith from ur sources) founded!

[abubaker]

Comes from ur book BUKHARI
the seerah attests to Imam Ali being the successor of prophet.
Caliph 1 was meant 2 be in a regiment deployed outside of Medina but disobeyed orders and remained as did caliph 2 when prophet was dyingproof

its the contrary, who was the one who led the prayers during the sickness of the prophet [sw] if ali was the the rightful successor, why then did the prophet [sw]assign Abuaker [ra] to be the imam of the people during the prayer



the following ahadith attest to the fact that abubaker[ra] was the one who rightfully should have succeded after the prophet

Ali (رضّى الله عنه) said:

“The best of this Ummah after its Prophet is Abu Bakr.”

(Musnad Ahmad, 839)

[Dukemina]

This is Bangash's thread stop messing it up people (and grow up, can't you people get anywhere without the name-calling!).

[abubaker]

lol me retarded? coming from u thats rich!.... I know who the 12 amirs are.... the ahle bayt was always meant 2 rule the ummah.... those hadith which I posted show that clearly! as does history!

i dont care what you believe we are discussing shiaism not your personal belief

show me one verse from the quran that talks about immamat/12 amirs

[Dreamer]

its the contrary, who was the one who led the prayers during the sickness of the prophet [sw] if ali was the the rightful successor, why then did the prophet [sw]assign Abuaker [ra] to be the imam of the people during the prayer



the following ahadith attest to the fact that abubaker[ra] was the one who rightfully should have succeded after the prophet

Ali (رضّى الله عنه) said:

“The best of this Ummah after its Prophet is Abu Bakr.”

(Musnad Ahmad, 839)

yawn.... doesnt mean anything... why didnt he go 2 the deployment as ordered? u forgetting ghadir kawm? u forgetting the statement at the dinner where Abu Lahab kocled prophet for having a 10 yr old boy as his supporter and successor?