Shia Islam for Dummies: Ask Those who Know

[Abu Hurayrah]

the are sahaba... ppl u love and respect all of them.... History points as to which of them they were
ppl who went 2 war with their imam at siffan
ppl who altered the prophets sunna
ppl who exiled Hz Abu Dar Maybe?
Ppl who caused Hz fatima 2 die in a state of anger with them

A Sahaba is a person who met the prophet, and he/she who accepted islaam.
But a Sahaba can make mistakes, he/she are human. So was the son of Abu Bakr Sadiq (ra), when he attacked Uthman ibn Affan (ra). So where the people who refused to pay Zakat,

Like I showed you, nobody, and especially not Umar Ra, altered the prophets Sunnah, and you till now, failed even to say a word on those posts. Abu Dhar was not exiled, he was annoyed by the series of events which took place in the era of Uthman ibn Affan (ra). Your last sentence is already refuted.

[Dreamer]

Not changed???? thats why he made taraweeh congregational? thats why he attempted to cap mahar thats why he changed divorce laws?

[شمله ور خراساني]

Dreamer, please help me out. If no book is sahih, what books should we study to learn about Islam?

Because obviously Shi'ism is based on a few books including Quran and a few others.

So which of the books other than Quran are reliable sources we can refer to when learning about Islam?

[شمله ور خراساني]

dreamer? Are you there? Please answer me. Help me out.

[Dreamer]

1 I am not a shia
(NOT in the kodern understanding anyway )
I believe according to history that Imam Ali was the rightful heir of prophet
I do not live nder titles of sahih like sangar
I believe that even the great Sahaba that u regard as ... like Abu Bakar etc were not perfect that they made mistakes... and that the mistakes Ive listed....
that the true political heirs were the imams of the ahle bayt.... IN that sence I am a shia (supporter of them) like u are a shia of muawiyya and yazeed

[Dreamer]

try reading al mujahiart if u want a better understanding of shia fiqh... might teach bigots like u a thing a two

[شمله ور خراساني]

1 I am not a shia

I am a shia

Thank you for your wonderful answer.

But you should be able to answer my question. If Sahih al Bukhari and Al Kafi are not sahih, what books do you use to build your belief about 'not being a shi'a' and being a shi'a' on?

Can you share those books with us so we can become like you: not shi'a and shi'a at the same time.

[Dreamer]

read al mujahirat u bigot... will teach u wonders on shia fiqh
PS great taking my answer out of context... U shia of muawiyya and yazeed....

[شمله ور خراساني]

try reading al mujahiart if u want a better understanding of shia fiqh... might teach bigots like u a thing a two

why do you call me a bigot? What have I done to deserve this insult?

If shi'a fiqh is based on mujahiart (spelling?) where can I find this book?

And what about the aqeedah (creed) of shi'ites? Which book deals with aqeeda? Care to share that with us so we can learn shi'ite aqeeda?

[شمله ور خراساني]

read al mujahirat u bigot... will teach u wonders on shia fiqh
PS great taking my answer out of context... U shia of muawiyya and yazeed....

WHy are you being so mean calling me a bigot and a shia of yazeed?

I am just being curious and asking you questions. What seems to be the problem here?

Don't you want to help me?

And answer please: where is shi'ite aqeeda (creed) based on? Which book should I read?

[Dreamer]

read al mujahirat... again its available in all good bookstores... a series of letters between 2 scholars... a sunni and shia one... helps 2 expolain shia fiqh and explains myths away that ppl like u perpetrate abt shias.... but then again that sunni scholar probably isnt a sunni according 2 u since only a salafie like u is a sunni... shame that most of the sunni world regards u ppl with horror

[Dreamer]

WHy are you being so mean calling me a bigot and a shia of yazeed?

I am just being curious and asking you questions. What seems to be the problem here?

Don't you want to help me?

And answer please: where is shi'ite aqeeda (creed) based on? Which book should I read?

u shld be proud 2 be a shia of yazeed... ur scholars put so much effort in2 defending him and his father!

[شمله ور خراساني]

I've googled al mujahirat. The only reference to such a thing is this thread.

Please help me learn about Shi'ism.

[Abu Hurayrah]

hahahahaha ... AL KAFEE IS NOT SAHIH! so :P try a little harder

Just a second:

Al-Tabrassi said:

“Al-Kafi among the four Shia books (Al-Kafi, Al-Tahzeeb, Al-Istibsar, Al-Faqih) is like the sun among the stars, and who looked fairly would not need to notice the position of the men in the chain of hadiths in this Book, and if you looked fairly you would feel satisfied and sure that the hadiths are firm and accurate.” (Mustadrak Al-Wasa’el, volume.3, page.532)

Al-Hur Al’amily said:

“The authors of the four Books of the Shia (Al-Kafi, Al-Tahzeeb, Al-Istibsar, Al-Faqih) have testified that the Hadiths of their books are accurate (Sahih), firm and well conducted from the roots that all Shia agreed on, and if you consider those scholars (the authors of the four books) are reliable then you must accept their sayings and their narrations.” (Al-Wasa’el, volume.20, page.104)

Sharaf Al Din Musawi said:

“Al-Kafi, Al-Tahzeeb, Al-Istibsar, and Mun La Yahdu-Ruhu Al-Faqih are Mutawatirah (100% accurate) and agreed on the accuracy of its contents (the Hadiths), and Al-Kafi is the oldest, greatest, best and the most accurate one of them.” (The book of Al-Muraja’aat, Muraj’ah number 110)

Muhammad Sadiq Al-Sadr said:

“The Shia are unanimous as to the four books (Al-Kafi, Al-Tahzeeb, Al-Istibsar, Al-Faqih) being accepted and all the narrations in them are accurate.” (”Kitab Al-Shia”, The Book of Shia, page.127)


Sayyid Mahdi Modaressi


About the authenticity of these traditions, I would have to say that we must give them the benefit of the doubt and consider them authentic until proven otherwise if they are narrated in one of the major Shia texts such as the Four Books, Al Kafi, AlAl Mustadrak, and Bihar Al Anwar along with its sources. Wasa’el,

Your Ayatullah Khomeini says about al Kafi:



"Do you think it is enough [kafi] for our religious life to have its laws summed up in al-Kafi and the n placed upon a shelf?"


Maybe you are more knowledgeable than Khomeini to give a fatwa that everything there is false.

[شمله ور خراساني]

read al mujahirat... again its available in all good bookstores... a series of letters between 2 scholars... a sunni and shia one... helps 2 expolain shia fiqh and explains myths away that ppl like u perpetrate abt shias.... but then again that sunni scholar probably isnt a sunni according 2 u since only a salafie like u is a sunni... shame that most of the sunni world regards u ppl with horror

Are you saying shi'ite religion is based on a book which is a dialogue between a shi'ite and a sunni scholar? When is this book written and published?