New Ten commandments for Muslims

[Karachi]

Porus did not even start the thread, I did, and I took it as a joke, thats why I am hardly involved in the thread, even though like I said, there are many truths to those 10 points

Muslims overall need to evolve from being (cavemen), this isn't even hidden, we all know how most muslim behavior is world over, be it in their own countries or any non muslim countries. Nothing to be proud off

[Karachi]

ALso about that (spreading legs) comment, Porus wasn't suggesting that muslims marry their daughters to non muslims, he was just showing the hypocrisy in Muslims, that men are allowed to marry whoever they want, yet their daughters can't do the same. There are so many things you can go on and on about muslims, really one thing is for sure that the current stock of muslims is not fit for the world

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Muslims overall need to evolve from being (cavemen), this isn't even hidden,

Never knew cavemen built vast empires and lived in cities and towns or had a written/spoken languages.

[Karachi]

Never knew cavemen built vast empires and lived in cities and towns or had a written/spoken languages.

Those stock of muslims 1000 years ago was different from today, despite being very violent, there were some learned people there, but stop living in the past, the past is dead, even your present is dead because of your behavior

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

he was just showing the hypocrisy in Muslims, that men are allowed to marry whoever they want, yet their daughters can't do the same. There are so many things you can go on and on about muslims, really one thing is for sure that the current stock of muslims is not fit for the world

Actually that isn't at all what he was talking about, he didn't mention that at all. But let's say for the sake of argument, this was Porus' actual intended message. In the human species, women carry the children of their people. hence it is very sensible to regulate who they marry if you want to preserve your people. This is simple evolutionary reasoning. Why should Muslims go against their welfare to please everyone else? There's nothing hypocritical about it. We have to preserve ourselves and expand ourselves just like every other group wants to do. except other groups are using this "Muslims have a double standard wah wah" tactic in an attempt to use emotional blackmail to get us to lower our standards and let them have access to the women of our society. Which they've already done to some extent, but not to the same extent as the women of their own societies.

The Bottom line is as Muslims our only obligation is to serving the Truth, whatever truth there is in the Universe, One of Allah(swt)'s names is Al-Haqq (the Truth), we are under no obligation to appease the swaying and wishy washy sentiments of those whose attitudes change like the wind.

If you don't like it, join them as you wish and leave us alone, we never needed you and never will need you.

Good Day.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Those stock of muslims 1000 years ago was different from today, despite being very violent, there were some learned people there, but stop living in the past, the past is dead, even your present is dead because of your behavior

But you said CAVEMEN ....that was your analogy, Most if not ALL Muslims of today have wirtten/spoken languages and most have cities and towns which are the basic strata of civilization

For you to suggest we're "cavemen" just shows you are completely uneducated and need to go back to school and learn what Cavemen actually were.

[Karachi]

Actually that isn't at all what he was talking about, he didn't mention that at all. But let's say for the sake of argument, this was Porus' actual intended message. In the human species, women carry the children of their people. hence it is very sensible to regulate who they marry if you want to preserve your people. This is simple evolutionary reasoning. Why should Muslims go against their welfare to please everyone else? There's nothing hypocritical about it. We have to preserve ourselves and expand ourselves just like every other group wants to do. except other groups are using this "Muslims have a double standard wah wah" tactic in an attempt to use emotional blackmail to get us to lower our standards and let them have access to the women of our society. Which they've already done to some extent, but not to the same extent as the women of their own societies.

The Bottom line is as Muslims our only obligation is to serving the Truth, whatever truth there is in the Universe, One of Allah(swt)'s names is Al-Haqq (the Truth), we are under no obligation to appease the swaying and wishy washy sentiments of those whose attitudes change like the wind.

If you don't like it, join them as you wish and leave us alone, we never needed you and never will need you.

Good Day.

Lol regulate?? that's the most jahil thing I have ever heard, are they marrying dogs and animals, so you can regulate who they marry? Basically you are giving them no choice, clearly proving that muslim men treat their girls as slaves. In this case, they probably can't marry some other muslim of other culture

Again my comment that muslims are not fit for this world, really applies here

[Karachi]

But you said CAVEMEN ....that was your analogy, Most if not ALL Muslims of today have wirtten/spoken languages and most have cities and towns which are the basic strata of civilization

For you to suggest we're "cavemen" just shows you are completely uneducated and need to go back to school and learn what Cavemen actually were.

Civlization started 10000 years ago, muslims have nothing to do with starting civilization, when they left Arabia, they only conquered the already civilized areas like Egypt, Persia, Greece, Roman Empire, India etc....

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Civlization started 10000 years ago, muslims have nothing to do with starting civilization, when they left Arabia, they only conquered the already civilized areas like Egypt, Persia, Greece, Roman Empire, India etc....

First of all, if you read my post again,..I never made ANY claims on who started civilization. You claimed Muslims were CAVEMEN....cavemen didn't have written languages, they didn't have writing or any type of infrastructure. Muslims have had some type of infrastructure for centuries and have written languages and writing. Hence would not be remotely cavemen.

Like I said, you really should go back to school and learn about what you're talking about before speaking.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Lol regulate?? that's the most jahil thing I have ever heard, are they marrying dogs and animals, so you can regulate who they marry? Basically you are giving them no choice, clearly proving that muslim men treat their girls as slaves. In this case, they probably can't marry some other muslim of other culture

Again my comment that muslims are not fit for this world, really applies here

You're not thinking logically, you're thinking with your emotions, and most of your arguments are based on irrational assumptions and emotions. What we're discussing here is Evolutionary Psychology, one of the most advanced ideas we have in human knowledge. Marriage is itself a form of regulating human behavior. ALL LAWS are ways to regulate human behavior. So clearly regulation does not imply slavery. Furthermore regulating is used to secure the interests of the people. Reproduction is an important part of securing the future and welfare of a population. Hence there's no slavery here, but welfare and justice. We're not saying people cannot marry between cultures; the idea here is preserving the value system. This is what marriage serves to reinforce to maintain the social balance. It's actually very logical and sensible if you looked at it with a logical and open mind.

It's not that Muslims that are not fit for the world, it's that your world is corrupted and needs to be corrected.

[Karachi]

You're not thinking logically, you're thinking with your emotions, and most of your arguments are based on irrational assumptions and emotions. What we're discussing here is Evolutionary Psychology, one of the most advanced ideas we have in human knowledge. Marriage is itself a form of regulating human behavior. ALL LAWS are ways to regulate human behavior. So clearly regulation does not imply slavery. Furthermore regulating is used to secure the interests of the people. Reproduction is an important part of securing the future and welfare of a population. Hence there's no slavery here, but welfare and justice. We're not saying people cannot marry between cultures; the idea here is preserving the value system. This is what marriage serves to reinforce to maintain the social balance. It's actually very logical and sensible if you looked at it with a logical and open mind.

It's not that Muslims that are not fit for the world, it's that your world is corrupted and needs to be corrected.

Mullah talking evolution sounds retarded and no, men controlling and regulating women's choices of a spouse is not evolution you idiot, it's Taliban cave mentality of your's

Even Islam itself is actually is against what you are saying, since look the example of Prophet's first wife, she was the one who liked him and proposed marriage to him

What values are you talking about? give me one good example of a good muslim value system in the muslim world, are you talking about the women who are caged in their homes all their lives? to you probably that is a great value system

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Mullah talking evolution sounds retarded and no, men controlling and regulating women's choices of a spouse is not evolution you idiot, it's Taliban cave mentality of your's

Even Islam itself is actually is against what you are saying, since look the example of Prophet's first wife, she was the one who liked him and proposed marriage to him

What values are you talking about? give me one good example of a good muslim value system in the muslim world, are you talking about the women who are caged in their homes all their lives? to you probably that is a great value system

Muslims have discussed the topic of evolution since 800 A.D. Al Jahiz and Al-Nazzam were some of the first in Islamic Scholarship who proposed a hypothesis regarding evolution

Salaam Knowledge

Islam is not against what I'm saying at all, we never said women cannot choose their husbands, but they can only choose their husbands that are Muslims. This is in the Qur'an so clearly Islam would not be against that. You're being very intellectually dishonest by the way; projecting your own false assertions unto others you who have never claimed or suggested women have to be locked away at home home.Not to mention YOU YOURSELF have witnessed me arguing against such things ON THIS very forum, demonstrates that you're a dishonest person, intellectually and factually.

But since you ask, one Islamic value is that Truth should supersede all sentiment; we should not base our course of action primarily on the perceptions of others unless we test the merits of perceptions first.Which contradicts your belief that we must kowtow to the newest, hip trend that Westerners push on us.

Another Islamic value is balance, we see everything is apart of a whole and therefore play different roles in that balance. Men and women aren't identical, but they have many degrees of overlap as much as divergences. We should allocate regulations that correspond to that and optimize society to its full potential. Women and men can both work and contribute intellectually and spiritually, but re-productively and familially, they serve different roles. We owe you ZERO apology for that. You understand? ZERO!.

You have to forgive us Karachi, we're not Desis, most of us have not succumb to mental colonization over generations of imperial abuse and subjugation as sadly our South Asian brothers have. Most of us still have some shred of back bone. I feel bad that this fate has happened to your people, but you are reflective of the cultural syndrome of an inferiority complex.What can I say Karachi ? We're just not as weak-minded and brainwashed as you are .... we don't suffer the same inferiority complex that you do just because a few Farangi tell us we don't fit into their corrupt standards.

[Karachi]

Muslims have discussed the topic of evolution since 800 A.D. Al Jahiz and Al-Nazzam were some of the first in Islamic Scholarship who proposed a hypothesis regarding evolution

Salaam Knowledge

Islam is not against what I'm saying at all, we never said women cannot choose their husbands, but they can only choose their husbands that are Muslims. This is in the Qur'an so clearly Islam would not be against that. You're being very intellectually dishonest by the way; projecting your own false assertions unto others you who have never claimed or suggested women have to be locked away at home home.Not to mention YOU YOURSELF have witnessed me arguing against such things ON THIS very forum, demonstrates that you're a dishonest person, intellectually and factually.

But since you ask, one Islamic value is that Truth should supersede all sentiment; we should not base our course of action primarily on the perceptions of others unless we test the merits of perceptions first.Which contradicts your belief that we must kowtow to the newest, hip trend that Westerners push on us.

Another Islamic value is balance, we see everything is apart of a whole and therefore play different roles in that balance. Men and women aren't identical, but they have many degrees of overlap as much as divergences. We should allocate regulations that correspond to that and optimize society to its full potential. Women and men can both work and contribute intellectually and spiritually, but re-productively and familially, they serve different roles. We owe you ZERO apology for that. You understand? ZERO!.

You have to forgive us Karachi, we're not Desis, most of us have not succumb to mental colonization over generations of imperial abuse and subjugation as sadly our South Asian brothers have. Most of us still have some shred of back bone. I feel bad that this fate has happened to your people, but you are reflective of the cultural syndrome of an inferiority complex.What can I say Karachi ? We're just not as weak-minded and brainwashed as you are .... we don't suffer the same inferiority complex that you do just because a few Farangi tell us we don't fit into their corrupt standards.

Muslims may have discussed it, but no way mullahs would every discuss such topics, big difference

Also regarding the topic of (values) what values are you talking about? where? I dont consider jailing of women to be values, values in the muslim world are only from the (male's) perspective, not the female. Women are not even second, they are third class citizens in the muslims lands, some times they are even treated worse then dogs. No thanks, No body will consider these good values to follow, defiantly not the sane human beings

What Balance? give me examples of it, you just keep saying these things with out any real life examples

ALso regarding your last point, there are many afghans/pashtuns here in Canada who are secular and open minded, even on this forum there are. You dont represent them at all, you are just once side of the coin (taliban type). In fact in real life Desi's are among the most extremist of muslims, I f-ucking hate them, they are the slaves of the mullahs, be it the Wahabhi ones or the Sufi ones, they are the most ugly and stubborn people I have met. I find Arabs to be much more open minded then desi muslims in real life. Many of my secular muslim friends are actually arab from Egypt, Lebenon, Iraq etc..

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Muslims may have discussed it, but no way mullahs would every discuss such topics, big difference

Both Al-Nazzam and Al-Jahiz were Religious Scholars, or "Mullahs" as you like to refer them as.

Also regarding the topic of (values) what values are you talking about? where?

Already answered that, where? In Islam, they're apart of the teachings of Islam


Surah 55:6-8 and the stars and the trees bow themselves;and heaven -- He raised it up, and set the Balance. Transgress not in the Balance,

values in the muslim world are only from the (male's) perspective, not the female

That's simply a projection of the shallow understanding perpetuated by a Western Liberalist propaganda and social narrative. Values do no depend simply on perspective but on realities. Biology is not a male or female perspective. our evolution as a species is not a male or female perspective, it is an event that is manifest by the way our hormones work, our bodies work, and our brains work. It's simply a fact of the structure of the universe independent of personal dictates. This is Islam's value system in a nutshell.

I dont consider jailing of women to be values,

Already addressed this, this is not an Islamic value; you must skip over and not read, it's the only way you can ramble ignorantly without confronting challenges.

. Women are not even second, they are third class citizens in the muslims lands,

That doesn't even make sense, this is just a remark made for theatrical effect ...not logic.

some times they are even treated worse then dogs.

Key word "sometimes", Humans are not Angels, misfortunes happen anywhere and everywhere to women, to claim a woman's misfortune by accusing Islam of demeaning women is a lie.

No thanks, No body will consider these good values to follow, defiantly not the sane human beings

Yeah because they're not Islam's value. If you were sane you wouldn't have to make up fraudulent claims against the people you debate as we will address in a moment.

What Balance? give me examples of it, you just keep saying these things with out any real life examples

You asked for what are Islam's values, I answered, You're changing goal posts now, which is a logical fallacy.

ALso regarding your last point, there are many afghans/pashtuns here in Canada who are secular and open minded,

And if you reread my post, I use the qualifier "MOST" as in the part where I write "MOST OF US HAVE NOT SUCCUMB".rshad Manji, Tarek Fatah, Hanif Qureishi, Salman Rusdhie, Taslima Nasrin, Ibn Warraq are ALL Desis.

Yeah we have a few members here, but they're very marginalized, and I'd like to keep it that.

. You dont represent them at all,

Clearly you have some sort of learning disability and don't know what the word "most" means.

you are just once side of the coin (taliban type).

This is a blatant and outright lie as you have both witnessed and this forum has a catalog of posts I have made where I'm critical and in opposition of the Taliban and have been since I started on this forum. Nice try, but the fact you need to lie only reveals how desperate and weak your position is ...but by all means KEEP lying, it only adds to my credibility sir.

Many of my secular muslim friends are actually arab from Egypt, Lebenon, Iraq etc..

Good for them, but guess what? They're mentally colonized just like you, so it doesn't say anything other than they're a subservient to foreign imperialism.


you lose.

[Karachi]

(Most) again what proof do you regarding this? There are many muslims who are forced to follow Islam, things like forced to wear hijab etc... There are so many muslims here in Canada who have lost their faith, because of mullahs like you and others, I know many and they come from every community including Afghan. Dont be so shocked of reality, it is you people who are driving many people away from Islam, because you bring the same backward narrative as the Taliban, you are not different from them Taliban, you only think you are

and women treatment like dog is just a (misfortune) for you, very funny, I know you hate women like a typical mullah, the way you talk to some of the women here on this forum shows that

And regarding your last point, this is not win or lose situation, I am not arguing to win here anyways, I am just showing your communities ugly face, which people like you keep praising as the best thing. Just quoting some Quranic verses doesn't do anything, where are the real life examples of these so called great muslim people? maybe 1 in a million, thats it