New Ten commandments for Muslims

[BarakzaiAbdali]

They will spot you, a caveman mullah in two seconds, they will boot you out, this is what you most likely look like:

Loooool. Cliche image. By now you've lodged your head ever deeper into Jennifer dads anorectal cavity ....he's likely over 50 and might warrant a screening colonoscopy. Your deeply inserted head may help with that.

Rather your close approximation to the guy in the picture and your deep self loathing and repeated rejections by women of worth wreaked havoc on your brain.

I assume this is the basis for the repeat unsubstantiated assertions and inability to rebut a single point by either Manzerah or Iblis. Basically - your stupid is sticking out for all to see

Keep dancing for me you monkey looool

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

[MENTION=2329]Karachi[/MENTION] could you stop responding within the quotes. It's NOT hard to respond outside the quotes. It's not going to discourage me from responding back. you just make me think you're a douchebag who's trying to discourage me.

Your goal is the same isn't it, to establish Sharia world over? if it is, then you are Taliban or anything other extremist group for that matter

Stop repeating yourself; I addressed. This argument is a Fallacy of Composition.

Fallacy: Composition

]The fallacy of Composition[/B] is committed when a conclusion is drawn about a whole based on the features of its constituents when, in fact, no justification provided for the inference. There are actually two types of this fallacy, both of which are known by the same name (because of the high degree of similarity).

The first type of fallacy of Composition arises when a person reasons from the characteristics of individual members of a class or group to a conclusion regarding the characteristics of the entire class or group (taken as a whole). More formally, the "reasoning" would look something like this.

Individual F things have characteristics A, B, C, etc.
Therefore, the (whole) class of F things has characteristics A, B, C, etc.

You're going to keep losing in debates with me if you're going to use logical fallacies. Just letting you know that.

Having overlap about Shari'ah/Islam =/= Being the Same .....understand? Now stop repeating the same bogus argument or else you'll just verify that you're ignorant and uneducated. (more so than you have already)

So it is only you looking at the context? and other muslims are very jahil? again your arrogance against your own people is shameful

See, what you did right now is a PERFECT example of taking something out of context. See what you did? You inserted a meaning I never stated. I never said "I'm the ONLY one". You're interpolating not interpreting. there's a difference. Of course given your poor education and poor critical thinking skills, I understand why you can't grasp this.

What I'm saying here is that the radicals you speak of don't look at the context They only look at the superficial statement without its relevance in the circumstance. And this is noted by the consensus of Ulama.

Idiot, this is the problem,

So basically by saying this, you have admitted Saudis do not represent Shari'ah since you just agreed they rebelled against the Khilafah. Rebellion against the Khilafah is against Shari'ah.

Moving on!

Dumbass, they use force against criminals, not against their own women, puting the in cages

Once again you're committing a logical fallacy called Changing Goal Posts pr Special Pleading. before you just said Using force with no qualifier. Now you're changing the standards.

Your logical fallacy is special pleading

special pleading
You moved the goalposts or made up an exception when your claim was shown to be false.

Humans are funny creatures and have a foolish aversion to being wrong. Rather than appreciate the benefits of being able to change one's mind through better understanding, many will invent ways to cling to old beliefs.

First of all your claim is not not true at all; haven't you been watching the news? They use force against people without even being charged with a crime.

You're committing confirmation bias here as well along with Special Pleading. How do we decide who is a criminal? A criminal by definition is someone who breaks the criminal law right? So a person who is punished in Islam, if tried and convicted for their crime is a criminal.

This claim that Islam requires women to be locked up is a fallacy I don't even need to address. No such law in Islam.

Again who are you to say that? what position do you have to say that?

You're defending Wahhabism now ....Don't you find it ironic how secularists side with Wahhabis when they have no other ammunition.

Ever wonder why USA/Israel both help Saudis? There you go!

So women to you are only baby producing machines? they can't do anything else can they?

Didn't I warn you about taking things out of context? This is again a perfect example of someone taking statements out of context. If you're going to do it, how do you expect Wahhabis to be legitimate Islam if they take things out of context?

We're talking about marriage and reproduction; This is why the marriage laws are aligned the way they are. Of course women can do everything a man can professionally.

Remember Khadija(ra) was a business woman. Only in marriage, reproduction and sexuality female nature operates different than men.
The rest of your remark is your usual taking things out of context and strawman.

If I see you people beating women, caging them, treating minorities unfairly, that is barbaric you dumb****. You are a barbaric person

And I would agree, but most of the stuff you claim are accusations and not apart of Islam so has no basis in any Shari'ah debate ....it's just some black mail tactic.

You guys are not fit for anything, not for this world, nor the next

The word of Allah(swt), science and Human Evolution would disagree with you.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

And he's also been ardently against the Talibs for years even before the Americans were.

Actually I don't want to be misrepresented, 15-20 years ago I was supportive of the Taliban because several people associated with the Taliban used to go to the Afghan Masjids in the U.S. and tell us that the accusations against the Taliban were lies

But then we began encountering more and more direct first hand accounts of Taliban targeting anyone with even a slightly different viewpoint or were going around beating people for very trivial infractions. These weren't simply news propaganda. Then as the Taliban using cutthroat tactics, during the first several years of the war, then almost all former supporters of the Taliban stopped supporting them on the East Coast.

I actually had a falling out with a member here over no longer supporting the Taliban, but I won't go into any details, as it would end up revealing names and possibly starting new drama, which I don't want.

So I was at one time a Taliban supporter because I didn't have as much information back then as I do now.

We used to be told stories about how Mullah Umar was at a party and they had bread and heavy cream being served at a gathering and Mullah Umar allegedly said "I won't eat this until the least of my people have this".

It turned out this story was plagiarized from a similar incident by Khalifa Umar Ibn Khattab(ra). It was then I knew that lot of Taliban were full of crap.

But lot of the propaganda against the Taliban was also full of crap too; there was this lady from New York, she's actually very well known so I won't mind sharing her name. she's Pashtana from Kandahar, named Masuda Sultan, and she told some B.S. story about how Mullah Umar lived in a palace. My Uncle was in Kandahar Shar and saw the place that Mullah Umar lived, but it was actually just a normal mud-stucco-style house that most Kandaharis living in the Shar had. She currently has a nice fluffy, well paying job working for the Ministry of Finance now in Afghanistan. LOL

Anyways i'm digressing, the reality is both sides were full of crap; So I decided to just follow my logic and reason, but I only became fully Anti-Taliban around Mid-2000's.

[Manzareh]

The definition of backwardness is poor, violent, unjust, corrupt, uneducated, etc... muslims are always among the top in all these backwardness. yes there are other countries, but at least most of them are trying to improve. Muslims on the other hand are proud of being backwards, you think you are the best of the best

No, that is not the definition of being backwards. People do not choose to be poor, people do not choose to be uneducated, being backwards is conducting yourself in a way that you choose. Look at your shallow responses for example, proves you are an uneducated man and you constantly repeating the same thing over and over again despite being lectured by various individuals proves you have basic learning skills and gullible to what your fed in Islamophobic news. So by your own definition i guess you yourself are a very backwards individual.

Secondly it doesn't take a genius to work out that everyone is trying to improve, which person doesn't want to progress? so that statement is as ridiculous as you.

Lol idiot, there are so many terrorist groups in muslim countries, I am not even getting in to this. There isn't a day where you guys are not killing each other over sects or politics. I am not even talking about terrorism you guys do in the west, I am talking about internal terrorism that kills your own people daily

Like i mentioned earlier with a long list of examples, terrorism isn't exclusive to religion or people, its conducted by everyone, east and west are both perpetrators and victims.

Humans are violent yes, however very few religious doctrine encourage violence. the dark side of your religion does for sure, even Iblis_Efreetzai says that Islam has a violent side

Depends what you count as Islam encouraging violence. be more specific.

Muslims were never peaceful, you really think Islam spread from Spain to India in just 50 years, peacefully? lol read history you idiot.

What Hitler done to the Jews was peaceful? What America did in Iraq was peaceful? was world war peace? What Israel is doing in Palestine, Vietnam in the 70's, nuking Japan, what Buddhists are doing in Burma, What china did in Tibet, What the Serbians did in Bosnia, What the Central Africans are doing right not is peaceful?. Open your pathetic small mind.

Those so called achievements were mostly borrowed, and even some of the muslim scientists who worked on these achivement were not the (mullah religious) type, the vary first idea of separation of religion and state came from a secular muslim person named Ibn Rushd. who later west copied, in this days muslims were bit better then today

I said ADVANCEMENTS in science, maths and technology, i didn't use the word invent, big difference Mr.Uneducated. Also you changing goal posts. Your simply talking about Muslims, when given an answer your saying they wernt a specific type of Muslim lol hilarious.

[Manzareh]

This whole notion of fitting in has gotten to his head to such an extent he is posting pictures of people of his own ethnicity and saying "i bet you look like this" i wonder he see's when he looks in the mirror. Its really intriguing.

As much as i feel Karachi should just hang his head in shame and just quit talking before he makes more a fool of himself. I actually have to thank him for his twisted rhetoric, it allows Islamophobes and victims of the biased media to come here and see amazing refutations and also witness the end result of what brainwashing will do to an individual. This guy thought process is so basic its laughable. Keep em coming bro, you are a tool in our think tank.

[Manzareh]

Indeed, because this is what muslims are on purpose, when you deny education to women, this is what happens. Have you ever heard the saying :when you educate one woman, she you basically educate the whole generation"

it's very true, yet moronic muslim men like you and Iblis will never understand this

Now your trying to say Muslim women are not educated LOL you get more deluded post by post. this is the problem with you, all you do is say random things with no bases. jumping to conclusions with no ground knowledge, pure speculation etc.. you need to really re-think your strategy, cuz that **** dont work round here.

[Karachi]

@Karachi could you stop responding within the quotes. It's NOT hard to respond outside the quotes. It's not going to discourage me from responding back. you just make me think you're a douchebag who's trying to discourage me.




Stop repeating yourself; I addressed. This argument is a Fallacy of Composition.

Fallacy: Composition



You're going to keep losing in debates with me if you're going to use logical fallacies. Just letting you know that.

Having overlap about Shari'ah/Islam =/= Being the Same .....understand? Now stop repeating the same bogus argument or else you'll just verify that you're ignorant and uneducated. (more so than you have already)




See, what you did right now is a PERFECT example of taking something out of context. See what you did? You inserted a meaning I never stated. I never said "I'm the ONLY one". You're interpolating not interpreting. there's a difference. Of course given your poor education and poor critical thinking skills, I understand why you can't grasp this.

What I'm saying here is that the radicals you speak of don't look at the context They only look at the superficial statement without its relevance in the circumstance. And this is noted by the consensus of Ulama.




So basically by saying this, you have admitted Saudis do not represent Shari'ah since you just agreed they rebelled against the Khilafah. Rebellion against the Khilafah is against Shari'ah.

Moving on!



Once again you're committing a logical fallacy called Changing Goal Posts pr Special Pleading. before you just said Using force with no qualifier. Now you're changing the standards.

Your logical fallacy is special pleading





First of all your claim is not not true at all; haven't you been watching the news? They use force against people without even being charged with a crime.

You're committing confirmation bias here as well along with Special Pleading. How do we decide who is a criminal? A criminal by definition is someone who breaks the criminal law right? So a person who is punished in Islam, if tried and convicted for their crime is a criminal.

This claim that Islam requires women to be locked up is a fallacy I don't even need to address. No such law in Islam.




You're defending Wahhabism now ....Don't you find it ironic how secularists side with Wahhabis when they have no other ammunition.

Ever wonder why USA/Israel both help Saudis? There you go!




Didn't I warn you about taking things out of context? This is again a perfect example of someone taking statements out of context. If you're going to do it, how do you expect Wahhabis to be legitimate Islam if they take things out of context?

We're talking about marriage and reproduction; This is why the marriage laws are aligned the way they are. Of course women can do everything a man can professionally.

Remember Khadija(ra) was a business woman. Only in marriage, reproduction and sexuality female nature operates different than men.
The rest of your remark is your usual taking things out of context and strawman.



And I would agree, but most of the stuff you claim are accusations and not apart of Islam so has no basis in any Shari'ah debate ....it's just some black mail tactic.



The word of Allah(swt), science and Human Evolution would disagree with you.

Fallcy this, fallcy that, it just shows who's losing the debates, because you have no answers at all to what I am saying, you just keep repeating yourself. A religious extremist is a religious extremist, A Taliban

What makes you think those Radicals are not educated? especially many of the extremist mullahs, who encourage terrorism? this to me is pure arrogance from you. You think you are the only one with Islamic knowledge

I didn't agree with you dumbass, all I said is that through out history, different khalifas were fighting each other, samething happened with Saudis and Ottomans. Your great people have so much blood on their hand, yet you keep ignoring that

Idiot, using force is very common in the Islamic world look at this:



^ yet this probably paradise for a mullah like you

Yes I am defending Wahabhism, how can you prove it that Wahahbism is wrong and is not Islam?, that millions of Wahabhis are not muslims? this arrogance from you clearly deserves a slap on your ugly mullah face

[Karachi]

Actually I don't want to be misrepresented, 15-20 years ago I was supportive of the Taliban because several people associated with the Taliban used to go to the Afghan Masjids in the U.S. and tell us that the accusations against the Taliban were lies

But then we began encountering more and more direct first hand accounts of Taliban targeting anyone with even a slightly different viewpoint or were going around beating people for very trivial infractions. These weren't simply news propaganda. Then as the Taliban using cutthroat tactics, during the first several years of the war, then almost all former supporters of the Taliban stopped supporting them on the East Coast.

I actually had a falling out with a member here over no longer supporting the Taliban, but I won't go into any details, as it would end up revealing names and possibly starting new drama, which I don't want.

So I was at one time a Taliban supporter because I didn't have as much information back then as I do now.

We used to be told stories about how Mullah Umar was at a party and they had bread and heavy cream being served at a gathering and Mullah Umar allegedly said "I won't eat this until the least of my people have this".

It turned out this story was plagiarized from a similar incident by Khalifa Umar Ibn Khattab(ra). It was then I knew that lot of Taliban were full of crap.

But lot of the propaganda against the Taliban was also full of crap too; there was this lady from New York, she's actually very well known so I won't mind sharing her name. she's Pashtana from Kandahar, named Masuda Sultan, and she told some B.S. story about how Mullah Umar lived in a palace. My Uncle was in Kandahar Shar and saw the place that Mullah Umar lived, but it was actually just a normal mud-stucco-style house that most Kandaharis living in the Shar had. She currently has a nice fluffy, well paying job working for the Ministry of Finance now in Afghanistan. LOL

Anyways i'm digressing, the reality is both sides were full of crap; So I decided to just follow my logic and reason, but I only became fully Anti-Taliban around Mid-2000's.

Lol, so you were a taliban and you are not anymore, even if that is true, kinda shows how weak your self belief is

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Lol, so you were a taliban and you are not anymore, even if that is true, kinda shows how weak your self belief is

Just like you were a Muslim and aren't now ....what's the issue? I guess you admit to being weak minded if this is your thinking.

[Karachi]

No, that is not the definition of being backwards. People do not choose to be poor, people do not choose to be uneducated, being backwards is conducting yourself in a way that you choose. Look at your shallow responses for example, proves you are an uneducated man and you constantly repeating the same thing over and over again despite being lectured by various individuals proves you have basic learning skills and gullible to what your fed in Islamophobic news. So by your own definition i guess you yourself are a very backwards individual.

Secondly it doesn't take a genius to work out that everyone is trying to improve, which person doesn't want to progress? so that statement is as ridiculous as you.



Like i mentioned earlier with a long list of examples, terrorism isn't exclusive to religion or people, its conducted by everyone, east and west are both perpetrators and victims.



Depends what you count as Islam encouraging violence. be more specific.



What Hitler done to the Jews was peaceful? What America did in Iraq was peaceful? was world war peace? What Israel is doing in Palestine, Vietnam in the 70's, nuking Japan, what Buddhists are doing in Burma, What china did in Tibet, What the Serbians did in Bosnia, What the Central Africans are doing right not is peaceful?. Open your pathetic small mind.



I said ADVANCEMENTS in science, maths and technology, i didn't use the word invent, big difference Mr.Uneducated. Also you changing goal posts. Your simply talking about Muslims, when given an answer your saying they wernt a specific type of Muslim lol hilarious.

Mullahs discourage anytime of education for muslim women you idiot, go to Pakistan/Afghanistan, this results in direct poverty and no, you mullahs are not trying to improve at, you are taking the whole muslim world to 7th century, what did Taliban do, remember? yet people like you still support them

Oh please, we all know about Islamic terrorism, we all know about Offensive Jihad, it is very much a Islamic problem.

The rest of the countries also do have their doctrinaires, and yes many are violent too, but it isn't their religion saying to do that, countries like US/Israel are acting out of their personal interest and yes defiantly they are violent too, however there is difference when someone is violent for political reasons and when someone is violent because of religious reasons

[Karachi]

This whole notion of fitting in has gotten to his head to such an extent he is posting pictures of people of his own ethnicity and saying "i bet you look like this" i wonder he see's when he looks in the mirror. Its really intriguing.

As much as i feel Karachi should just hang his head in shame and just quit talking before he makes more a fool of himself. I actually have to thank him for his twisted rhetoric, it allows Islamophobes and victims of the biased media to come here and see amazing refutations and also witness the end result of what brainwashing will do to an individual. This guy thought process is so basic its laughable. Keep em coming bro, you are a tool in our think tank.

There is actually nothing called a Islamophobe, when ever someone is trying to show the true ugly face of yours, they are labeled Islamophobes. Are you saying thousands upon thousands of those radicals carrying those signs dont exist? and that is just in europe, imagine the amount of extremists and terrorists in Islamic countries, you guys are really a lost cause, you will most likely self destruct because of your stupidity

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Fallcy this, fallcy that, it just shows who's losing the debates, because you have no answers at all to what I am saying, you just keep repeating yourself. A religious extremist is a religious extremist, A Taliban

If you commit a fallacy, it doesn't mean the otherside is losing, it means you're losing.

If I repeat myself, it's because you keep responding with the same responses and it requires me to say something a 2nd, 3rd and 4th time before it sinks in why your argument is wrong.

What makes you think those Radicals are not educated? especially many of the extremist mullahs, who encourage terrorism? this to me is pure arrogance from you. You think you are the only one with Islamic knowledge

When we're talking about education we're talking about the legal jurisprudence of how to apply Islam, they might be educated in some other subject.

But what I mean is if they contradict the established norms of Islamic Jurisprudence. It'd be like someone claiming that worshipping idols is now Halal, even though that contradicts what we know as factual regarding Islamic worship. These extremists violate the standards we know have been established in Islamic Jurisprudence.

I didn't agree with you dumbass,

You didn't get what I mean, your statement confirms they didn't follow Shari'ah. By admitting that you sabotaged your argument.

Idiot, using force is very common in the Islamic world look at this:

Using force is very common in secular countries; this guy was killed because he had a broken tail light

^ yet this probably paradise for a mullah like you

I guess murdeiring people for tail lights is paradise for house slaves like you.

Yes I am defending Wahabhism

that's all you had to say, you've lost all credibility.

[Karachi]

Now your trying to say Muslim women are not educated LOL you get more deluded post by post. this is the problem with you, all you do is say random things with no bases. jumping to conclusions with no ground knowledge, pure speculation etc.. you need to really re-think your strategy, cuz that **** dont work round here.

Of course they are not educated, I have said that from the beginning, and it is mullahs who stop their education

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Of course they are not educated, I have said that from the beginning, and it is mullahs who stop their education

Even in a Wahhabi State like Saudia women get education. More women have degrees in Saudi than men.

And this isn't defending Saudis, this is just intellectual honesty.

[Karachi]

Even in a Wahhabi State like Saudia women get education. More women have degrees in Saudi than men.

And this isn't defending Saudis, this is just intellectual honesty.

Idiot thats because the Royals over there encourage education, the royals despite corrupt are the only ones keeping the country together, or else it will be exactly like ISIS