New Ten commandments for Muslims

[Karachi]

^ it's close 70% in the gulf you dumb****:

Today though, even if you get married, staying married also seems difficult. A report in 2014 to the Federal National Council suggested that the divorce rate for 2013 surged to 70 per cent. Similarly, data published by Qatar’s Permanent Population Committee in 2009, suggested that around 70 per cent of Qatari marriages end in divorce too.

In the Gulf, marriage falters while divorce prospers | The National

[Karachi]

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[Golden]

^ it's close 70% in the gulf you dumb****:

Today though, even if you get married, staying married also seems difficult. A report in 2014 to the Federal National Council suggested that the divorce rate for 2013 surged to 70 per cent. Similarly, data published by Qatar’s Permanent Population Committee in 2009, suggested that around 70 per cent of Qatari marriages end in divorce too.

In the Gulf, marriage falters while divorce prospers | The National

Divorce rate isn't high in Pakistan, noble hindu values dictate we will only marry once and never divorce.

[Porus]

People respond "badly" because this "joke" has no ground in reality but a western imperialistic narrative. Who would accept lies and ignorant views being spread about himself and his culture/people???

What exactly about this post was a 'lie'? Sure things can be half-truths, but lies are pretty rare. They only exist in theory.

Its not a joke. Its ignorance, xenophobia and islamophobia disguised as a "joke"....

Yeah, for a Muslim to tell his fellow Muslims to 'grow up' isn't exactly Islamophobia. Xenophobia, I don't know how that applies since Muslims are not an 'ethnic' group. Also it's funny that you should cry xenophobia since your posts are probably the most racist in this entire forum. :P

Stereotyping 1/4 of the worlds population and displaying ignorance about x culture is not the same as a joke.

Maybe not for you, I found this pretty funny and true at the same time. I don't really like Tarek so much as a person, but I find myself agreeing with a lot of what he says.

In the west a woman being a **** and getting ****ed by 1000,men by the time she hits 25 is called "let their daughters fall in love"....this type of animalistic behavior obviously does not impress Afghans and other (noble) cultured people...

That's not how Western society works. Being ****ed by a thousand men isn't the goal of a Western or 'Westernised' woman. It's just a freedom that they have, in the same right as the men have, to have sex with whoever they want. To be honest, even in Muslim society. Sex isn't considered a bad thing. Males get away with having tons of sex with anyone they want, but as soon as a woman does it, it's dishonourable. We in the West remove the 'honour' altogether, and what you get is a society where men and women can have sex without worry.

Or rather it shows that our spirituality and values have a sense of priority that we should honor and revere, that would be my guess What you wrote about how badly Muslims take criticism, yes not all Muslims take criticism well, maybe even most do not, but having a counter response is an honorable and intellectually valid way to handle criticism

What would you rather us do? behead people?

If Muslims have such a strong sense of self and priority, they would take these comments seriously, as you all have, but not in a dismissive way. We all know that Muslims as a people are overall more intolerant than other religious groups. For example, Muslims are the only people who cannot accept marriage with a non-Muslim, without converting them to Islam. This is a serious problem, marrying someone of 'x' religion and expecting them to give up their beliefs because of a fanatical majority that supports this view is immoral and it feeds the Western suspicion about Muslims. This is just one among many other examples, but I think you'll understand my point.

I don't rather you behead anyone. I'd rather that Muslims started to reflect on themselves. Why is it that Muslim countries are so unbelievably backward compared to Western countries?

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

If Muslims have such a strong sense of self and priority, they would take these comments seriously, as you all have, but not in a dismissive way.

What rule says that taking something seriously implies that we must acquiesce to any remark lobbied our way?

We all know that Muslims as a people are overall more intolerant than other religious groups

Because most of them won't marry their daughters to non-Muslims? You have to be joking

you're confusing a lack of principles with tolerance.

For example, Muslims are the only people who cannot accept marriage with a non-Muslim, without converting them to Islam

First of all they're not the "only" people that do this. Clearly you should recall Hinduism and the caste system. Furthermore, I would argue that it's actually one of the most beautiful examples of Muslim tolerance. In principle we're not supposed to simply reject someone based on where they're from, but evaluate someone by the beliefs, values and principles they hold. Judging a person by what molds their personality. Not only is that tolerant, but it's wholly fair and valid. You can be white, black, hispanic, chinese, As long as you're a believing and practicing Muslim that can take care of a family, you can marry my daughter.

Those SHOULD be the minimal requirements.

I make ZERO apologies for that and stand by Islam's stance that this is a valid way accord relationships. You do not have a valid criticism here. Call that dismissive, but you don't.

You don't have to sanction some man sleeping with your daughter, whether by legal contract or otherwise, to prove how tolerant you are. That's some silly Emotional blackmail tactic that European Colonialists used to pull on native peoples so they could have a "taste" of the local women to put it crudely. Honestly, in my opinion these types of arguments sound like some type of poorly crafted reverse psychology to promote a certain type of social agenda. It's kind of odd that out of all issues of tolerance, like protecting the rights and sanctity of persecuted Non-Muslims, you picked something that has nothing to do with that.

This is a serious problem, marrying someone of 'x' religion and expecting them to give up their beliefs because of a fanatical majority that supports this view is immoral and it feeds the Western suspicion about Muslims

See that's exactly the problem with your thesis; you're validating the Western premise as having the right of way. Honestly I discourage people from marrying outside of Islam or trying to "convert" people for marriage, but more for theological grounds. If you need to change people's values to marry them, unless they were already changing it independent of you, it's best to leave them be as Islam isn't about nomial acceptance but heart felt belief.

While Muslims are responsible for correctly representing Islam and it's principles in the right way. We're not responsible for catering to something that is NONE OF THEIR BUSINESS.

Once again ZERO APOLOGIES for this.....I earnestly DISMISS your critique here.
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. This is just one among many other examples, but I think you'll understand my point.

Yes an example which you oddly preferred over other very pressing issues, like persecution of Non-Muslims. I would have picked that one, but no, whether you have sanctioned access to a Muslim girl's genitalia is your concern.

Why is it that Muslim countries are so unbelievably backward compared to Western countries?[

Oh I'm sure it's because they lowered their sense of principles and standards and don't care who screws their daughters and their extolling of promiscuity with Kim Kardashian and theyr shameless Trash TV like Jerry Springer. Clearly their progress in Astronomy and Cosmology is in debt to that.

Ever heard of this thing called Imperialism? It's when Western countries sacked most of Asia and Africa and used fiat money to embelish the value of their assets and devalue the assets of the countries they once had colonies in.

That may provide at least an existential explanation.

[Firdousi]

Ever heard of this thing called Imperialism? It's when Western countries sacked most of Asia and Africa and used fiat money to embelish the value of their assets and devalue the assets of the countries they once had colonies in.

That may provide at least an existential explanation.

Its not just colonialism. Its post-colonialism what prevented most of Islamic countries from becoming developed societies. It was the West who systematically attacked or staged coups against secular progressist governments such as Mossadegh, Parchamis in Afghanistan (not a fun of them though),.. and so on.

Once Colonialism was gone the Islamic world was ruled by communist, secular nationalist and socialists governments. The Islamic word was as secular as the Western world in many case even more liberal (I bet Egypt under Nasser was far more liberal than Portugal under Salazar, Chile with Pinochet or Spain with Franco). Fares al Khoury was a Christian but he became prime minister of Syria. Leon Benzaquen was Jewish but he became minister in Morocco. Iraq´s second strongest man, Tariq Aziz, was a Christian. What about the guy who killed Bob Kennedy? Also a Palestinian Christian. These Islamophobes should do some research about what people like Amin Maalouf, Edward Said or Fairouz think about their Muslim neighbors. Muslims have been by far more tolerant than Westerns. Our current state of misery does not represent the true spirit of the region. SO piss off, haters lol

Of course Muslims are to be blamed here too. We can not and should not blame all our miseries on others but rather we must take responsibility.

[Firdousi]

If Muslims have such a strong sense of self and priority, they would take these comments seriously, as you all have, but not in a dismissive way. We all know that Muslims as a people are overall more intolerant than other religious groups. For example, Muslims are the only people who cannot accept marriage with a non-Muslim, without converting them to Islam. This is a serious problem, marrying someone of 'x' religion and expecting them to give up their beliefs because of a fanatical majority that supports this view is immoral and it feeds the Western suspicion about Muslims. This is just one among many other examples, but I think you'll understand my point.

Yeah lets leave our identity, our religion and our way of life. Lets force our daughters to spread their legs and become prostitutes and all that in order to appease our Western masters.

Western cultural fascism once again. Screw it and screw you too. Social liberalism is ruining Western civilization. How its possible you people can not see this???

[Manzareh]

No matter the topic of the thread it always ends up in the same BS convo.

[Forreigner]

Yeah lets leave our identity, our religion and our way of life. Lets force our daughters to spread their legs and become prostitutes and all that in order to appease our Western masters.

Western cultural fascism once again. Screw it and screw you too. Social liberalism is ruining Western civilization. How its possible you people can not see this???

thanx for this post brother. yes Anti-Islamism is exactly what you said. They want to take Muslimeen's ghairat and manhood away and turn them into cucks and slaves of the Western lifestyle...

[Forreigner]

What exactly about this post was a 'lie'? Sure things can be half-truths, but lies are pretty rare. They only exist in theory.




Yeah, for a Muslim to tell his fellow Muslims to 'grow up' isn't exactly Islamophobia. Xenophobia, I don't know how that applies since Muslims are not an 'ethnic' group. Also it's funny that you should cry xenophobia since your posts are probably the most racist in this entire forum. :P



Maybe not for you, I found this pretty funny and true at the same time. I don't really like Tarek so much as a person, but I find myself agreeing with a lot of what he says.



That's not how Western society works. Being ****ed by a thousand men isn't the goal of a Western or 'Westernised' woman. It's just a freedom that they have, in the same right as the men have, to have sex with whoever they want. To be honest, even in Muslim society. Sex isn't considered a bad thing. Males get away with having tons of sex with anyone they want, but as soon as a woman does it, it's dishonourable. We in the West remove the 'honour' altogether, and what you get is a society where men and women can have sex without worry.



If Muslims have such a strong sense of self and priority, they would take these comments seriously, as you all have, but not in a dismissive way. We all know that Muslims as a people are overall more intolerant than other religious groups. For example, Muslims are the only people who cannot accept marriage with a non-Muslim, without converting them to Islam. This is a serious problem, marrying someone of 'x' religion and expecting them to give up their beliefs because of a fanatical majority that supports this view is immoral and it feeds the Western suspicion about Muslims. This is just one among many other examples, but I think you'll understand my point.

I don't rather you behead anyone. I'd rather that Muslims started to reflect on themselves. Why is it that Muslim countries are so unbelievably backward compared to Western countries?

You are not a Muslim, so you don't understand the Musliman's way of life. Your knowledge is that off an ant trying to describe the world looking from little hole in the ground.

The Musulman do not wish to see their daughters and sisters becoming degenerate filthy prostitutes, getting ****ed every weekend by random men. Muslimeen do not wish to degenerate their societies, unlike you Hindus slaves.

But you are an identity-less drone who have discarded the cultural ideas of your ancestors and became a slave of the Westerner, so you do whatever they do and whatevery they do, you think of it as the ''right way'' without having your own thought process. that's actually sad man.

The Western way of life is NOT the only way of living a ''good'' life. Remember it's all subjective. It's very sad some people have this deluded idea that homogenizing (ei. westernizing) the world and killing diversity will somehow make the world a better place.

[Golden]

Porus is sweeper from Lahore, he's not muzlim but christian.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Porus is sweeper from Lahore, he's not muzlim but christian.

Even if he's Christian, so what? It's not his religion or lack there of we're dealing with but his ideas that he presents here.

What's up with Paki nationalists and their inability to think critically?

[Manzareh]

Porus is saying replies on this topic is proof of how serious we are taking this and unable to comprehende a joke. Well, if he took it as a mere joke and not serious about it at all then why is he writing essays on it?? Glass smiles, totally transparent.

[Karachi]

You are not a Muslim, so you don't understand the Musliman's way of life. Your knowledge is that off an ant trying to describe the world looking from little hole in the ground.

The Musulman do not wish to see their daughters and sisters becoming degenerate filthy prostitutes, getting ****ed every weekend by random men. Muslimeen do not wish to degenerate their societies, unlike you Hindus slaves.

But you are an identity-less drone who have discarded the cultural ideas of your ancestors and became a slave of the Westerner, so you do whatever they do and whatevery they do, you think of it as the ''right way'' without having your own thought process. that's actually sad man.

The Western way of life is NOT the only way of living a ''good'' life. Remember it's all subjective. It's very sad some people have this deluded idea that homogenizing (ei. westernizing) the world and killing diversity will somehow make the world a better place.

it;s nice to say and imagine those things about muslims, but the reality is there are millions of prostitutes in muslim countries. Much of the muslim is a terrible place to live, with no rights for anyone, how can you defend such societies?

The western world has a lot of problems too, there are indeed lots of moral and family problems here which I hate, also I personally never hang out with most Anglo/Germanic white people, because I just can't,

That said, I also acknowledge the society they have developed, things like their educational and scientific achievements, their freedom, their justice, etc... these things make them much better then muslim societies which are so corrupt, violent, unjust, heck this is why muslims come to the west to begin with, for a better life

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Porus is saying replies on this topic is proof of how serious we are taking this and unable to comprehende a joke. Well, if he took it as a mere joke and not serious about it at all then why is he writing essays on it?? Glass smiles, totally transparent.

Manzareh one thing I learned about polemics is that one shifty tactic that's usually used as a smokescreen is "reverse psychology". He thinks by portraying responses as somehow rooted in insecurity that it will blackmail people into not responding.

I was recently reading a Washington Post article titled "My ex boyfriend was intimidated by my sexual history- so I dumped him".

The writer was trying to suggest that men who have a problem with women having a sexual history have some type of inadequacy; basically projecting her own inferiority issues. The intended effect she was trying to manufacture was that men will think that to prove they fit into her distorted version of manhood, they'd lower their standards and accept these types of women as spouses.

Porus basically tried using the same ploy with the "If Muslims were really concerned were really serious about their values, they'd be more accepting of Non-Muslims marrying them" ....The absurd double think in that is self explanatory.

But many young Muslims are naive and feel we need to validate ourselves to everyone, which is a very dangerous path because it means one has to bend and sway to other people's perceptions than what is actually right.