Anti-Ahmadiyyah Thread

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

What do you mean by "was?"

[شمله ور خراساني]

Could it ever be possible that the Dajjal is a metaphoric description of the rulers and powers of the latter days?

No. Because in many ahadith the prophet saww spoke of Dajjal as a person.

Here is a good lecture about what Dajjal is.

[شمله ور خراساني]

He was saying that you should not fight a government that gives you all your rights. He was saying that under the British Muslims are better off then they were under the Sikhs and the Hindus.

I am pretty sure that you would agree with me that we should not fight a just government.

The British were just? They massacred us, they burnt our villages, they enslaved our people, they destroyed our crops, they killed our grandparents, they imposed their rule on us. And you consider them as just? Let me tell you something. I am from East Kabul. From the Ghiljay tribe. Go and study about the war in Gandumak, the ambushes in Tangi, the battles in But Khak. My grandparents were martyred fighting the British.

For a clown who was a servant of the British to tell me the British were just, Id say that such a person is not even worht listening to. But you consider him as your prophet LOL

[Saif ul Haq]

These ahadith mentioned descend. Where does it mention "ascend?"
"Descend" has also been used for Hadhrat Muhammad (saw).

Everyone agrees Jesus walked on this Earth, and it's common sense for him to descend he first must have ascended

It can be referred to Hadhrat Isa (as), but not necessarily. Also, "hour" is not limited to the latter days.

References please?, the verse is referring to the Hour - Final day - and Jesus returning

If you are going to translate "tawaffa" as going up then how could he ever come down? He will tell Allah that he did not know what happened after. Hence, either way, he will not come back down.

So, might want to reconsider your translation?

Please give references or you are simply giving a weightless opinion

I have explained "Tawaffa" in the previous posts and already provided his descend as mention both in the Qur'aan and Sound narrations

There is nothing new to add except for your references to make your points legitimate or else they will be considered as invalid

[Saif ul Haq]

If one accepted Mirza as a Prophet, what makes him different from those other people who claim the same?

The first few pages of this thread give insight into the Qadiyani movement and their goals

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

The British were just? They massacred us, they burnt our villages, they enslaved our people, they destroyed our crops, they killed our grandparents, they imposed their rule on us. And you consider them as just? Let me tell you something. I am from East Kabul. From the Ghiljay tribe. Go and study about the war in Gandumak, the ambushes in Tangi, the battles in But Khak. My grandparents were martyred fighting the British.

For a clown who was a servant of the British to tell me the British were just, Id say that such a person is not even worht listening to. But you consider him as your prophet LOL

Dear brother, you are a Dutch national. The Dutch are in Afghanistan and doing to the same. I asked you once how come you are not doing an uprising in Holland for what the Dutch are doing in Afghanistan. You said that you are living there peacefully, despite disagreeing with what they are doing in Afghanistan. And you said, that we can't do an uprising because it would be wrong, Islamically.

Hence, my question to you: who were the rulers of the then India, the Muslim or the British?

Try to be logical and not emotional.

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad did not say anything unIslamically. He used the same logic to defend the British that you are using to defend the Dutch.

Please don't be a man of double standard.

Just for the record, the British dealt with the same type of people then that they are dealing with today. They did not and still do not interfere in the lives of law abiding citizens. Please read history, there were many Muslim scholars, aside Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, who supported the British.

[Saifullah]

A prophet is a messenger and a messenger is a prophet. It is impossible to be one and not the other.

It is not true that a messenger brings a law and a prophet does not bring a law.

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad did not bring a new law. He is following the Law of Hadhrat Muhammad (saw). No new law can come after the Quran. This is what Mirza Ghulam Ahmad believes in.

There is a difference between a nabi and a rasool. A rasool (messenger) had revelations brought down to him (i.e a book). A nabi (Prophet) had no revelations brought down to him.

If Mirza Ghulam followed Muhammad (Saw) then what do you guys believe about him. What is he?

[شمله ور خراساني]

Dear brother, you are a Dutch national. The Dutch are in Afghanistan and doing to the same. I asked you once how come you are not doing an uprising in Holland for what the Dutch are doing in Afghanistan. You said that you are living there peacefully, despite disagreeing with what they are doing in Afghanistan. And you said, that we can't do an uprising because it would be wrong, Islamically.

Hence, my question to you: who were the rulers of the then India, the Muslim or the British?

Try to be logical and not emotional.

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad did not say anything unIslamically. He used the same logic to defend the British that you are using to defend the Dutch.

Please don't be a man of double standard.

Just for the record, the British dealt with the same type of people then that they are dealing with today. They did not and still do not interfere in the lives of law abiding citizens. Please read history, there were many Muslim scholars, aside Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, who supported the British.

Thats lame.

I am an immigrant in Holland. I am not resident here. Neither did the Dutch occupy my home here in Holland.

The Shari'i concept of jihad ud daf (defensive jihad) allows people to defend themselves from hostile armies trying to subdue them.

You are so lame, it is not even funny.

[PakistaniWazir]

qadiyanis r reconized as kuffur by pakistan govnment and all muslims

[Dreamer]

much like jinnah was a kuffar no? loooooool

[PakistaniWazir]

much like jinnah was a kuffar no? loooooool

Jinnah made a muslim country out of vote and saved muslims from hindu terrrorists

if ur khattaks love afghanis so much then why did khattaks vote to join pakistan?????

[Dreamer]

He was a kaffir... accept it... he divided the muslims of India... dont hero worship him... actually research him and then come back... and dont know what your facination with Khattaks is.. I mean you get Khattaks who support Pakistan like you and then those that have seen the light.... your arguments are weak/.... Try harder!
PS pashtuns joined Pak because `1 they were not given an option 2 join Afghanistan and Jinnah convinced them that pakistan was some sort of Islamic haven... nothing was further from the truth... good 2 see his heirs and successors have convinced you though as they did your forefathers

[Saif ul Haq]

We don't even need to get into a complex discussion regarding what "Tawaffa" means or anything else, let's make this very simple

If Mirza was a true Prophet of Allah, it would mean that his prophecies would be authentic and must come true. I will give one example that proves him to be a phony

One of Mirza's "prophetic predictions" stated he would die at the age of 80 or live longer. One may see this prophecy to be very vague and could may have even come true since there is no explicitness mentioned and one could mold his statement into any form

Despite that it was false, Mirza was born in 1839 and he died in 1908, living for 69 years, thus the prophecy was unfulfilled and he had been proven to be a phony

[PakistaniWazir]

He was a kaffir... accept it... he divided the muslims of India... dont hero worship him... actually research him and then come back... and dont know what your facination with Khattaks is.. I mean you get Khattaks who support Pakistan like you and then those that have seen the light.... your arguments are weak/.... Try harder!
PS pashtuns joined Pak because `1 they were not given an option 2 join Afghanistan and Jinnah convinced them that pakistan was some sort of Islamic haven... nothing was further from the truth... good 2 see his heirs and successors have convinced you though as they did your forefathers

haha jinnah was right!!!!!

look at status of pakistani pashtuns with thse in afghanistan!

pakistani pashtuns r wealthy and well off look at pashtuns in karachi

they have gr8 businesses and good lives

do u fink pashtuns of karachi in millions will pak bags and go to kabul?

[Dreamer]

haha jinnah was right!!!!!

look at status of pakistani pashtuns with thse in afghanistan!

pakistani pashtuns r wealthy and well off look at pashtuns in karachi

they have gr8 businesses and good lives

do u fink pashtuns of karachi in millions will pak bags and go to kabul?

blah blah blah
he was a man worshpping ishmalie