Anti-Ahmadiyyah Thread

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

defecation is associated with impurity
Prophets are pure
do the math

According to this logic Hadhrat Muhammad (saw) is not a prophet.

[malalay]

So, we have to follow your translation? You just proved that you are following your own sect, and you don't care for research.

Post your translation of those verses, then.

The translation of verse 5;117 is as follows:
Translation by Sarwar: "I did not tell them anything except what You commanded me to tell them. I told them that they must worship God who is everyone's Lord. I watched them as long as I was among them until You raised me to Yourself and You Yourself had also watched over them;You are omnipresent."
By Daryabadi: "I spake not unto them aught save that for which Thou badest me: worship Allah, mine Lord and your Lord. I was a witness over them so long as abode amongst them: then when Thou tookest up Thou hast been the Watcher. And over everything Thou art a witness."
By YusufAli: "Never said I to them aught except what Thou didst command me to say, to wit,\'worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord\' and I was a witness over them whilst I dwelt against them; when Thou didst take me up Thou wast the Watcher over them, and Thou art a witness to all things."
By Pickthall: "I spake unto them only that which Thou commandedst me, (saying): Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. I was a witness of them while I dwelt among them, and when Thou tookest me Thou wast the Watcher over them. Thou art Witness over all things."
By Arberry: "I only said to them what Thou didst command me:\'Serve God, my Lord and your Lord\' And I was a witness over them, while I remained among them; but when Thou didst take me to Thyself, Thou wast Thyself the watcher over them; Thou Thyself art witness of everything."

[Saif ul Haq]

Let us deal with tawaffa first.

We've been discussing and you haven't brought any references yet. Once that is done we can move forward, I have already proven what "Tawaffa" means on its own and in different contexts with references

Now the ball is in your court

[شمله ور خراساني]

The translation of verse 5;117 is as follows:
Translation by Sarwar: "I did not tell them anything except what You commanded me to tell them. I told them that they must worship God who is everyone's Lord. I watched them as long as I was among them until You raised me to Yourself and You Yourself had also watched over them;You are omnipresent."
By Daryabadi: "I spake not unto them aught save that for which Thou badest me: worship Allah, mine Lord and your Lord. I was a witness over them so long as abode amongst them: then when Thou tookest up Thou hast been the Watcher. And over everything Thou art a witness."
By YusufAli: "Never said I to them aught except what Thou didst command me to say, to wit,\'worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord\' and I was a witness over them whilst I dwelt against them; when Thou didst take me up Thou wast the Watcher over them, and Thou art a witness to all things."
By Pickthall: "I spake unto them only that which Thou commandedst me, (saying): Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. I was a witness of them while I dwelt among them, and when Thou tookest me Thou wast the Watcher over them. Thou art Witness over all things."
By Arberry: "I only said to them what Thou didst command me:\'Serve God, my Lord and your Lord\' And I was a witness over them, while I remained among them; but when Thou didst take me to Thyself, Thou wast Thyself the watcher over them; Thou Thyself art witness of everything."

Momin probably knows less Arabic than any other person here. So this discussion about what the word means with someone like him is useless as he is not in search for the truth. BUt to promote his religion freely here.

Here is the English translation of the Ayah by Muhsin Khan

Al-Maeda
"Never did I say to them aught except what You (Allâh) did command me to say: 'Worship Allâh, my Lord and your Lord.' And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them, and You are a Witness to all things. (This is a great admonition and warning to the Christians of the whole world). (117)

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

The translation of verse 5;117 is as follows:
Translation by Sarwar: "I did not tell them anything except what You commanded me to tell them. I told them that they must worship God who is everyone's Lord. I watched them as long as I was among them until You raised me to Yourself and You Yourself had also watched over them;You are omnipresent."
By Daryabadi: "I spake not unto them aught save that for which Thou badest me: worship Allah, mine Lord and your Lord. I was a witness over them so long as abode amongst them: then when Thou tookest up Thou hast been the Watcher. And over everything Thou art a witness."
By YusufAli: "Never said I to them aught except what Thou didst command me to say, to wit,\'worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord\' and I was a witness over them whilst I dwelt against them; when Thou didst take me up Thou wast the Watcher over them, and Thou art a witness to all things."
By Pickthall: "I spake unto them only that which Thou commandedst me, (saying): Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. I was a witness of them while I dwelt among them, and when Thou tookest me Thou wast the Watcher over them. Thou art Witness over all things."
By Arberry: "I only said to them what Thou didst command me:\'Serve God, my Lord and your Lord\' And I was a witness over them, while I remained among them; but when Thou didst take me to Thyself, Thou wast Thyself the watcher over them; Thou Thyself art witness of everything."

Be honest and bring ALL of the translations from that website, including the literal translation. Don't pick and choose, it is very dishonest.

If you don't I will do it.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

We've been discussing and you haven't brought any references yet. Once that is done we can move forward, I have already proven what "Tawaffa" means on its own and in different contexts with references

Now the ball is in your court

In due time, I will bring my references. For let us discuss 5:116-8.

How could Hadhrat Isa (as) return to earth when he will tell Allah on the Day of Judgment that he did not know what the Christians did after him?

[Saif ul Haq]

Can we have a stable discussion? Just an hour ago you posted

Let us deal with tawaffa first.

And I agree, let's finish that first

[Saif ul Haq]

I would also like to know if you know Arabic or at least have studied basics of sarf and nahw?

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Can we have a stable discussion? Just an hour ago you posted



And I agree, let's finish that first

Yes, we have to deal with it with respect to its use with respect to Hadhrat Isa (as). That is why I asked you how come you did not use "death" instead? I brought that set of verses so that we could discuss. From our discussion a lot of light would be shed.

That said, do you think that Hadhrat Isa (as) would be lying on the Day of Judgment?

I have a lot on this matter, in due time they will come out.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

I would also like to know if you know Arabic or at least have studied basics of sarf and nahw?

What I claim would not make a difference. My arguments will prove everything.

[Saif ul Haq]

If you have not then there's no need to even continue as you haven't understood what I've been posting and that's why you're become destabilized with outrageous comments

[Saif ul Haq]

Yes, we have to deal with it with respect to its use with respect to Hadhrat Isa (as). That is why I asked you how come you did not use "death" instead? I brought that set of verses so that we could discuss. From our discussion a lot of light would be shed.

That said, do you think that Hadhrat Isa (as) would be lying on the Day of Judgment?

I have a lot on this matter, in due time they will come out.

http://www.pashtunforums.com/95103-post150.html

[Saif ul Haq]

What I claim would not make a difference. My arguments will prove everything.

Like I said, the ball is in your court, whatever you've been asking have been answered to and all you have to do is check the previous posts

This is not a mary-go-round, lets have some consistency

[malalay]

Do you think that he would be a human being based on what you have said? These descriptions if taken literally would defy the ordinary man.

These descriptions are metaphoric.

What about his donkey, would he be a normal donkey or some "monster?"

Its not what I have said! Its in the Hadiths of Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W), according to which Dajjal will be a Human being with extraordinary powers (warlock), he is also mentioned as Anti Christ and Lucifer in Christian chronicles. In short whatever it is, Its not a myth as the event has been explicitly narrated by the Prophet himself and having faith in the prophet entails having faith in his prophecies. Whether its a giant monster or a normal human being the good news is he will be killed by Jesus (P.B.U,H)! :D

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

If you have not then there's no need to even continue as you haven't understood what I've been posting and that's why you're become destabilized with outrageous comments

That is not a fair conclusion. I have understood everything. I don't agree with what you have posted.