Anti-Ahmadiyyah Thread

[Saifullah]

He died in the toilet...

[شمله ور خراساني]

Saifullah, Thats not really a refutation nor an excuse.

it is. because prophets die in honorable fashion. not while taking a dump.

[Saifullah]

Saifullah, Thats not really a refutation nor an excuse.

I dont think Allah would want his Prophets to die in the toilet.

[Dreamer]

defecation is associated with impurity
Prophets are pure
do the math

[شمله ور خراساني]

Sangar do you mind creating a thread to show us how prophets died in a fashionable way and how that has any importance.

No.

[malalay]

Do you honestly think brother that Hadhrat Isa (as) is in the sky waiting to fight a huge monster?

Who said Dajjal is a huge monster?! Reference to the Dajjal is not so clearly said in the Quran, however we need to remember to follow the sunnah, after all we did not learn how to perform our salaat/moonze from the Quran. It was the hadiths that taught us. Quran and Sunnah go hand in hand; you can’t have one without the other to follow up with.

Dajjal means to cover up or to deceive. He will appear from East Khorassan around Syria and Iraq where people with face like flat beaten iron live.

Blind in right eye/like a floating grape. Left eye will also be defective with a fingernail type covering over a green, glass like eye. Kafarat will be written on his forehead, he will be a human being but unable to have offspring.

It will be the greatest trial faced by mankind. The Prophet SAW told us to flee/run as far as possible from him.

Will appear at a time when there is drought and famine world wide. He will claim he is god and will command the sky to rain and the land to bring forth produce. He will carry with him on his shoulders massive amounts of bread and meat.

A river like hell fire will follow him and a garden like paradise. Treasures of the earth will also follow him.

Jinn will appear in the form of a father and mother to show that he can raise the dead parents of people who will not believe he is god.

His reign will be forty days: 1st day = 1 year, 2nd day = a month, 3rd day = a week and the rest of days will be a day per day.

Hazrat Majma Bin Jariya says that Muhammad (pbuh) said that Jesus will kill Dajjal in the entrance of the city/village of Lud.

[malalay]

Btw where is 'inqilab'(starter of this thread)..Tol khalak ye pa ghum akhta kral ao pakhpala otakhtedo..lol :D

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Sangar do you mind creating a thread to show us how prophets died in a fashionable way and how that has any importance.

This would be very interesting.

Please do so, Sangar Jana.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Who said Dajjal is a huge monster?! Reference to the Dajjal is not so clearly said in the Quran, however we need to remember to follow the sunnah, after all we did not learn how to perform our salaat/moonze from the Quran. It was the hadiths that taught us. Quran and Sunnah go hand in hand; you can’t have one without the other to follow up with.

Dajjal means to cover up or to deceive. He will appear from East Khorassan around Syria and Iraq where people with face like flat beaten iron live.

Blind in right eye/like a floating grape. Left eye will also be defective with a fingernail type covering over a green, glass like eye. Kafarat will be written on his forehead, he will be a human being but unable to have offspring.

It will be the greatest trial faced by mankind. The Prophet SAW told us to flee/run as far as possible from him.

Will appear at a time when there is drought and famine world wide. He will claim he is god and will command the sky to rain and the land to bring forth produce. He will carry with him on his shoulders massive amounts of bread and meat.

A river like hell fire will follow him and a garden like paradise. Treasures of the earth will also follow him.

Jinn will appear in the form of a father and mother to show that he can raise the dead parents of people who will not believe he is god.

His reign will be forty days: 1st day = 1 year, 2nd day = a month, 3rd day = a week and the rest of days will be a day per day.

Hazrat Majma Bin Jariya says that Muhammad (pbuh) said that Jesus will kill Dajjal in the entrance of the city/village of Lud.

Do you think that he would be a human being based on what you have said? These descriptions if taken literally would defy the ordinary man.

These descriptions are metaphoric.

What about his donkey, would he be a normal donkey or some "monster?"

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Everyone agrees Jesus walked on this Earth, and it's common sense for him to descend he first must have ascended

Did the Prophet (saw) first "ascend" in order for him to "descend?"
Did cows first "ascend" in order for them to "descend?"

You have taken it literally brother. It is a metaphoric description.

References please?, the verse is referring to the Hour - Final day - and Jesus returning

Are you saying that whenever the term "hour" is used it is referring to the "latter days?"

Please give references or you are simply giving a weightless opinion

I have explained "Tawaffa" in the previous posts and already provided his descend as mention both in the Qur'aan and Sound narrations

There is nothing new to add except for your references to make your points legitimate or else they will be considered as invalid

Let us discuss 5:116-8, from our discussion we will figure out which meaning to use for tawaffa.

You have clearly described one of the meanings for tawaffa as death. Therefore, we must discuss to verify why "death" can't be used.

Plus, "took up" is NOT one of the meanings you used for tawaffa.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

If one accepted Mirza as a Prophet, what makes him different from those other people who claim the same?

The first few pages of this thread give insight into the Qadiyani movement and their goals

Why do you think the Jews have not accepted Hadhrat Isa (as), even 2000 years later?

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

There is a difference between a nabi and a rasool. A rasool (messenger) had revelations brought down to him (i.e a book). A nabi (Prophet) had no revelations brought down to him.

How would you describe Hadhrat Ismaeel (as)?
How would you decribe the mother of Musa (as)?

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Thats lame.

I am an immigrant in Holland. I am not resident here. Neither did the Dutch occupy my home here in Holland.

The Shari'i concept of jihad ud daf (defensive jihad) allows people to defend themselves from hostile armies trying to subdue them.

You are so lame, it is not even funny.

You not a resident in Holland? So where do you go on the weekends? Where do you sleep at night?

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad postponed religious wars, not political wars.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

We don't even need to get into a complex discussion regarding what "Tawaffa" means or anything else, let's make this very simple

If Mirza was a true Prophet of Allah, it would mean that his prophecies would be authentic and must come true. I will give one example that proves him to be a phony

One of Mirza's "prophetic predictions" stated he would die at the age of 80 or live longer. One may see this prophecy to be very vague and could may have even come true since there is no explicitness mentioned and one could mold his statement into any form

Despite that it was false, Mirza was born in 1839 and he died in 1908, living for 69 years, thus the prophecy was unfulfilled and he had been proven to be a phony

Let us deal with tawaffa first.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

He died in the toilet...

I have already explained this. He did not die in such a manner.