Muharam why Sunnis are not observing this day???????

[jankhan]

I read about his ideas somewhere but can you please share some details here.
I am really astonished that millions of Shiites mourn this day with full zeal and zest but Sunnis are totally silent and instead observe it as Ashura day and totally ignore the Karbala event.

Well in Islam if someone dies in a war we call it shaheed and we don't mourn on a shaheed but rather we are happy in our hearts because we consider he has succeeded in his purpose of life.
At the other hand if you see shiitte so they mourn and do lots of dramas and show offs which are against the teaching of Islam, imagine if we started observing the days of the shaheeds in Islam then we would be observing almost each day of the year because we have a long list of the very top and dear shuhada in the history of Islam.
The Karbala incident gives us a message, the message is to stand up against the tyrant and the dictator of the time no matter what he does to you.
stand up against the zulm and the system of zulm.

[jankhan]

If you want to read Dr Israr's book. its available with the name 'waqya e karbala'
but its not in the market. you have to call their organisation and they will provide it to you at your doorstep. I have done the same thing and i have it at my home.

[Badlun]

Well in Islam if someone dies in a war we call it shaheed and we don't mourn on a shaheed but rather we are happy in our hearts because we consider he has succeeded in his purpose of life.
At the other hand if you see shiitte so they mourn and do lots of dramas and show offs which are against the teaching of Islam, imagine if we started observing the days of the shaheeds in Islam then we would be observing almost each day of the year because we have a long list of the very top and dear shuhada in the history of Islam.
The Karbala incident gives us a message, the message is to stand up against the tyrant and the dictator of the time no matter what he does to you.
stand up against the zulm and the system of zulm.

I agree with the part relating to message. To commemorate such a message we may observe some events and ceremonies but Sunnis are totally silent on this day and instead observe it as Ashura which is a pre Karbala concept based on some hadith that one may keep fast on this day.

[jankhan]

I agree with the part relating to message. To commemorate such a message we may observe some events and ceremonies but Sunnis are totally silent on this day and instead observe it as Ashura which is a pre Karbala concept based on some hadith that one may keep fast on this day.

yes sunnis keep fasting on this day and it is not because of the karbala. but this day is a holy day since Musa AS time. Anyways how do you want sunnis to celeberate it ?

[Badlun]

yes sunnis keep fasting on this day and it is not because of the karbala. but this day is a holy day since Musa AS time. Anyways how do you want Sunnis to celebrate it ?

By organizing seminars, conferences, media events, walks, discussions, debates, talks, speeches etc in a peaceful way and discuss the Karbala event and express thoughts and sentiments.

I have been told by a friend from Pakistan that Brelvi Sufi Sunni Muslim do organize some events on 10th Muharram and highlight the event of Karbala. I think Shiites should also invite Sunni Muslims to join them in some scholalry an dintellectual activities. It should not be an exclusive Shia event as Imam Hussain was the grandson of the prophet of both Sunnis and Shiites.

[Khorosani]

I disagree, I think Lewanaye Zalmaye had it right, this is a distortion and misrepresentation made by people who want to represent Islamic history in the favor of some ideological agenda.

The truth is , Hussain and Yazeed were all hungry for power; it was about who maintained control. Hussain wanted a dynastic rule which centered on Ahl Al Bayt, and Yazeed a dynastic rule that centered on Banu Ummayah.

It doesn't matter why Shi'a celebrate it or why Sunni don't; what matters is we need to grow out of this immature mentality and focus on how to solve our problems .....Neither Hussain or Yazeed are helping us or hurting us today. Leave these men in the past, focus on our future.

I also agree it was the Mongol destruction of the intellectual legacy of the Muslims for which we are suffering today.

This is the most stupidest thing you could have ever said, Hussain was hungry for power!?

Hussain was one of those promised Jannah by the prophet of Allah (may peace and blessings be upon him) and thus holds the qualities of the believer and those who the akhira is for and Allah says

[28:83] Saheeh International
That home of the Hereafter We assign to those who do not desire exaltedness upon the earth or corruption. And the [best] outcome is for the righteous.

I urge you to repent from this statement and stop interpretting and viewing history through a Marxian lens.

In reality if Hussain (RA) wanted rule instead of Banu Ummayyah his fight would've started with Uthman and Mu'awiyya (radia'Allahu anhum) not yazeed who wasn't fit at all for the position.

And FYI there are a lot of sunnis who are heart broken about the death of Imam Hussein (RA). One of my teachers told me that he can't narrate the story nor does he even have the heart to read the story because it is so heart breaking for him to do so.

Imam Hussain in His Final Moments - Shaykh Zahir Mahmood | Emotional | HD - YouTube

[Khorosani]

in addition, why should we be sad on ashura when this was the day that someone greater than Hussain was saved from someone worse than yazeed!

For on this day Musa alayhisalam was saved from Firawn and Firawn was destroyed. The pleasure of that day weighs more than the sorrow of karbala.

[randolph85]

if we were to mourn every tragic event that happened to good muslims, we would have no time to sleep.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

A figure greater than Hussein and Ali in Orthodox Islamic theology, John the Baptist aka Yahal alay Salaam was martyred... and we also don't mourn on that day. Moreover, we do not mourn on the day Hamza, the Uncle of the Prophet was killed in battle by idolators. Finally, we neither celebrate the birth or passing of the Prophet himself... so there is no need to mourn Karbala.

[Badlun]

Imam Hussain was killed by a dictator in a very tragic way. His case is very different. And I have seen Muslims celebrating 12th Rabiul Awal as Eid milad u Nabi everywhere except Salafis .

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Imam Hussain was killed by a dictator in a very tragic way. His case is very different. And I have seen Muslims celebrating 12th Rabiul Awal as Eid milad u Nabi everywhere except Salafis .

Hind was a dictatoress and her husband, before he converted was the lead oligarch of Makkah.

I have been to Sunni, Shia, Sufi, Alawi etc events as a guest and have yet to see a consistent celebration of the birth date of the Prophet prescribed within theology or theological doctrine.

Its a more recent innovation that I saw once passing through NYC, albeit done to a very minor degree with some sweets being distributed and it was celebrated by southern Pakistanis.

Irrespective of that, Khadija Bibi also passed secondary to tribulations and trials of starvation inflicted by the Makkans... yet once again we don't officially mourn such days or even mark them.

The Prophet himself once, when witnessing the passing of his beloved son Ibrahim was told of an eclipse in the sky and the people ran to him telling him that the sky had darkened in grief. He told them something to the effect that these natural phenomena and inanimate bodies do not mourn the passing of the son of Muhammad (S).

I am not delegitimizing shiah theology, I am just noting the sunni circumstance.

Also, Herod was a bigger dictator than even Yazid.

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

It's all politics.

After the prophet's death, Banu Umayya and Banu Hashim fought for power. Banu Hashim struck the first blow when they assassinated Usman and got their guy Ali on the throne. Banu Umayya fought back and wiped out all of Banu Hashim's front runners in a single blow. Banu Hashim could never contend for the throne thereafter. Of course, this is not how your Islamic History book recalls the events but a dispassionate study of the early history of Islamic politics reveals this very truth.

Anyway, those familiar with Pakistani politics will know how the death anniversaries of Z.A. Bhutto and Benazir Bhutto are marked with reverence. It has its political reasons. Firstly, it shows that the current Bhuttos are from those original ones. It also instils unity and reminds the followers of the founders' struggle.

The exaggerated, dramatised and Bollywood-ised recollections of Hussain's death are no different in this regard. Any person with the IQ of a cat will not be able to stand five minutes of the crying and the shouting and the lies that are perpetrated in Muharram gatherings. We're lucky in this regard that so few Pashtuns Shia. Because the whole thing reeks of indignity and childishness.

The Shias have elevated otherwise upstanding and humble men such as Ali and Hussain to the status of demigods and saints. They've made their victimisation the cornerstone of their religious ideology. How can you achieve anything if you're a perpetual crybaby?

I think it would've been great for Islamic unity had Ali and his family not been so cruelly sidelined and sent underground. But crying about it now won't change the past.

[Khorosani]

It's all politics.

After the prophet's death, Banu Umayya and Banu Hashim fought for power. Banu Hashim struck the first blow when they assassinated Usman and got their guy Ali on the throne. Banu Umayya fought back and wiped out all of Banu Hashim's front runners in a single blow. Banu Hashim could never contend for the throne thereafter. Of course, this is not how your Islamic History book recalls the events but a dispassionate study of the early history of Islamic politics reveals this very truth.

Anyway, those familiar with Pakistani politics will know how the death anniversaries of Z.A. Bhutto and Benazir Bhutto are marked with reverence. It has its political reasons. Firstly, it shows that the current Bhuttos are from those original ones. It also instils unity and reminds the followers of the founders' struggle.

The exaggerated, dramatised and Bollywood-ised recollections of Hussain's death are no different in this regard. Any person with the IQ of a cat will not be able to stand five minutes of the crying and the shouting and the lies that are perpetrated in Muharram gatherings. We're lucky in this regard that so few Pashtuns Shia. Because the whole thing reeks of indignity and childishness.

The Shias have elevated otherwise upstanding and humble men such as Ali and Hussain to the status of demigods and saints. They've made their victimisation the cornerstone of their religious ideology. How can you achieve anything if you're a perpetual crybaby?

I think it would've been great for Islamic unity had Ali and his family not been so cruelly sidelined and sent underground. But crying about it now won't change the past.

so basically, second hand sources giving their own personal view and interpretations of the events hold more weight than the actual people who narrated the events in real time and the scholars who have a chain of transmission to those people? Yes very convincing.

and how dare you call the amir of the believers "their guy" in a casual way. fear Allah in that matter.

The fact is that scores of Banu Umayyah supported Ali (ra) and ahlul bait (such as Umar ibn Abdul Aziz) thereafter and the picture you are painting has nothing to do with the reality but rather it has to do with negative qualities of humans in the case of banu umayyah (after Ali and Mu'awiyya's conflict) it has to do with the love of power and for Ali and Mu'awiyya's conflict it had to do with truth and what is right and just.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

This is the most stupidest thing you could have ever said, Hussain was hungry for power!?

Hussain was one of those promised Jannah by the prophet of Allah (may peace and blessings be upon him) and thus holds the qualities of the believer and those who the akhira is for and Allah says

[28:83] Saheeh International
That home of the Hereafter We assign to those who do not desire exaltedness upon the earth or corruption. And the [best] outcome is for the righteous.

I urge you to repent from this statement and stop interpretting and viewing history through a Marxian lens.

In reality if Hussain (RA) wanted rule instead of Banu Ummayyah his fight would've started with Uthman and Mu'awiyya (radia'Allahu anhum) not yazeed who wasn't fit at all for the position.

And FYI there are a lot of sunnis who are heart broken about the death of Imam Hussein (RA). One of my teachers told me that he can't narrate the story nor does he even have the heart to read the story because it is so heart breaking for him to do so.

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTK_yP41PNQ]Imam Hussain in His Final Moments - Shaykh Zahir Mahmood | Emotional | HD - YouTube[

See that's the difference between you and I; I'm not deeply brainwashed by a group of small minded retards masquerading as Ulama Who hijack the names of great thinkers like Abu Hanifa in the bid to keep people ignorant and backwards for their social agenda and mind control.

We do not need to be gullible followers; Islam has a tradition of using REASON and LOGIC to determine which of these people are real ULAMA and who are merely injecting and inserting their twisted desires to misguide another generation of Muslims to keep us constantly squabbling over irrelevant events. Likewise we can use reason and Logic to examine these SAME events.

Using reason and logic we can see that Hussain was simply a mortal, a man with failings and shortcomings like anyone else. There was no divine power to inoculate If we look at things objectively and NOT some bundle of indoctrination of exaggerated reverence. We see that Hussain was filled with his family's propaganda about being somehow magically destined to be some sort of celestial figure on Earth. It was about his own self aggrandized ego.

On the flipside you had Yazeed; bitter about his fmaily's loss of dominance in the affairs of the Arabs yet realizing the prospect that the New religion Islam had in impacting over the Arabs and 'Ajam saw an opportunity to expand their power beyond what his predecessors could ever imagine

This isn't Marx that highlights these; this is Tabari and historical accounts from the Islamic Annals.

So instead of recommending repentenace for crimes which are not even apart of Islam anyways but just an emotional blackmail tool to silence intellectual thought. I recommend you repent for your ignorance. gullibility and weakmindedness as these are catastrophic and lower the quality of our species.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

so basically, second hand sources giving their own personal view and interpretations of the events hold more weight than the actual people who narrated the events in real time and the scholars who have a chain of transmission to those people? Yes very convincing.

and how dare you call the amir of the believers "their guy" in a casual way. fear Allah in that matter.

The fact is that scores of Banu Umayyah supported Ali (ra) and ahlul bait (such as Umar ibn Abdul Aziz) thereafter and the picture you are painting has nothing to do with the reality but rather it has to do with negative qualities of humans in the case of banu umayyah (after Ali and Mu'awiyya's conflict) it has to do with the love of power and for Ali and Mu'awiyya's conflict it had to do with truth and what is right and just.

Hmmm no that's not it; It's understanding that they're people and that human beings going through an event may not always be giving objective accounts so we have to take into account EVERYTHING and then take an analysis on that. That despite their petitions and agendas what was really occurring behind these events.

I understand if you've been raised to look at things from a brainwashed worldview peppered with filtered ways to interpret these events that it seems like sacrilege. But this is apart of the idiotic mind warp that you've had bashed into your head without questioning and blindly following like a SHEEP.