Some members in Religion section do not believe in preventing vice

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

You do know that the Western system is more Atheist than Christian?

[شمله ور خراساني]

I have a Quran in front of me. Three in fact. They say the same thing. Are my Qurans fake??

No. They are not. You need to get your hands on the tafsir of quran to understand each and every aya and you have to have knowledge of the seerah. If you don't have those things you can go about making all sorts of claims regarding each and every verse in the quran.

Here: I will help you out:

Tafsir Ibn Kathir: the most reliable and most popular explanation of the Quran with English translation

Also available online as a web based resource: http://qtafsir.com/

The biography of the prophet Muhammad saww including references to the verses of Qur'an, the times of revelations and their context

Sealed Nectar

Mercy of the Universe

Understanding the biography of prophet muhammad saww by Muhammad al Ghazali



I suggest you go and study these books with every ayat of the Qur'an you are studying to get a good indept understanding.

[شمله ور خراساني]

You do know that the Western system is more Atheist than Christian?

Yes I do. Are you implying that advanced sciences and technology leads us to atheism? LOL!

[MazloomyarMaseed]

When you are refuted after you copied and pasted from a random website without knowing what you are doing you resort to personal attacks and your endless ranting on how I am a hypocrite for living in Holland.

You sound like a broken record.

Get real. You have failed. Big time. That verse does not allow non-Muslims to preach and proselytize in Islamic countries.

So don't try to divert by turning this into yet another discussion why I live in Holland and I am not in Afghanistan.

You need to work on your material. Invent something new.

How am i diverting your hipocrasy, if you care so much of your Afghan people, then go preach to them instead of ranting and yapping and blaiming the shias and sufis for problems of Afghanistan, go do tabligh with General Baigh and Hamid gul, they support you man, they think just like you man, you will be their new and loyal chaplusi.

It says quite clearly

'FORGIVE THEM'

why is your heart so black and rotten that you do not like peace, be brave, be a strong man, go to your village, ralley your people in the foot steps of ibn wahab, go i dare you to do it, flee holland, dont contribute to a society deeemed kaffir and harrraaam, go on your offensive jihad and take abu bakar, militant mullah and the one and only mukhkasis, and go conquer the world on American dollars and using Russian weapons hahaha.

Invent something? that coming from a guy who says its not kuffer to get money from kuffurs to kill other kuffurs, hahaha did the ISI teach you this,did the taliban ISI agents teach you this?????

Kind Regards

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Yes I do. Are you implying that advanced sciences and technology leads us to atheism? LOL!

Actually, yes. Many people have left the belief in Allah after studying in the Western educational systems. I know many.

[MazloomyarMaseed]

Yes I do. Are you implying that advanced sciences and technology leads us to atheism? LOL!

Well, since you promote the whole "its islamic to accept money from kuffurs to kill kuffurs" then what do you expect man!

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Sangar, I don't get you. You are something.

Here let me ask you another question: what is worst for the Afghans to leave Afghanistan or for Christianity to be preached in Afghanistan?

[شمله ور خراساني]

Actually, yes. Many people have left the belief in Allah after studying in the Western educational systems. I know many.

They probably did so because they are ignorant people who have no knowledge of their own religion.

Besides, Allah guides whom he wills and guides not whom he doesn't want to guide.

If people have bad hearts they will become disbelievers. I live less than a mile away from faculty of natural sciences. And guess what, most of the foreigners there are actually Muslims. And they use the prayer room regularly.

Only disblievers at the university are Iranians and Afghans and some Arab nationalists who are ignorant of Islam and study arts and literature. Not very smart people.

[MazloomyarMaseed]

Actually, yes. Many people have left the belief in Allah after studying in the Western educational systems. I know many.

Doesnt it seem strange, how Wahabis are more active in Western countries than their own native countries, I mean, Saudi Arabia is probably the only wel known Wahabist region, doesnt it seem very strange how they are so active in the west whom they regard as their enemy and kaffir yet love and enjoy the peace and freedoms for which Western countries provide them and give them a good life, The mintue, one Westerner objects their non sense, they become alll victimised and pretend to be innocent.

Ive noticed, how they promise you things but in reality they just want to recruit you, during the bosnian war, they sent many Wahabis there with the money and protect of NATO and the UK government, yet well, to them its not haraam to be funded and trained by kaffirs lol

Kind Regards.

[Badlun]

It is your problem that you don't invest your time in studying Islam and the tafseer of the ayat and rather go and promote shirk by making threads about astrology.

Don't come complaining to me because you are confused due to your own lack of commitment and dedication of the religion you claim to follow.

You have confused me man, I am all right in my religious convictions. You are abrogating one verse with another. You take one verse and say that the other was revealed later so the later one may be accepted not the first one and this way only the latest will remain valid while other verses will be nullified and not good to be accepted and this way you make the whole Quran doubt ful. Some Hadith were already doubtful but now you have started talking of some verses of Quran correct some not.
Can you enlighten us because the verses quoted by Maseed totally giv eyou religious freedom and freedom to chose a religion.

[MazloomyarMaseed]

They probably did so because they are ignorant people who have no knowledge of their own religion.

Besides, Allah guides whom he wills and guides not whom he doesn't want to guide.

If people have bad hearts they will become disbelievers. I live less than a mile away from faculty of natural sciences. And guess what, most of the foreigners there are actually Muslims. And they use the prayer room regularly.

Only disblievers at the university are Iranians and Afghans and some Arab nationalists who are ignorant of Islam and study arts and literature. Not very smart people.

Again he generalises people into groups. Most Iranians ive met hate Wahabis, and these Wahabis cant muster the fact that they have acheived absolutely nothing as Iran has, they dont even have majority support, they are shadows walking in a disguise labelled Islam.

Just because Iran can stand its own feet and defy Western Pressure, for which your Wahabis cant live a day without Western education and Western weapons and money. Dont be jealous Sangar.

I just keep myself in a state of ashtonishment at how he says ONLY DISBELEIVERS, AS IF HE IS SOME KIND OF TOOTH FAIRY that he knows every who disbeleives, what he means, is those who OPPOSE WAHABISM is classed and deemed as disbeleivers.

Sangar

Would a Smart people say, its okay to collect money from non muslims to kill non muslims? What double standard is this.

[شمله ور خراساني]

Sangar, I don't get you. You are something.

Here let me ask you another question: what is worst for the Afghans to leave Afghanistan or for Christianity to be preached in Afghanistan?

Thats a good question. I guess worst thing is to have christianity being preached in Afghanistan. Because life in Afghanistan is like hell. But it only lasts a few years. But leaving Islam and becoming kaafirs will cause us to live in hell for eternity.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

You do know that the Western system is more Atheist than Christian?

Yes I do. Are you implying that advanced sciences and technology leads us to atheism? LOL!

Actually, yes. Many people have left the belief in Allah after studying in the Western educational systems. I know many.

They probably did so because they are ignorant people who have no knowledge of their own religion.

Besides, Allah guides whom he wills and guides not whom he doesn't want to guide.

Bingo!

THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN SAYING.

CASE CLOSED

[شمله ور خراساني]

You have confused me man, I am all right in my religious convictions. You are abrogating one verse with another. You take one verse and say that the other was revealed later so the later one may be accepted not the first one and this way only the latest will remain valid while other verses will be nullified and not good to be accepted and this way you make the whole Quran doubt ful. Some Hadith were already doubtful but now you have started talking of some verses of Quran correct some not.
Can you enlighten us because the verses quoted by Maseed totally giv eyou religious freedom and freedom to chose a religion.

I am not confusing you. You should invest more time studying.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Actually, he is not the only one who is saying that to you.

I am well verse with Islam and you are twisting Islamic beliefs to fit political agendas.